Problems Gaining on 2nd Cycle

[MJM]

Jesus.How big are you?

As we've been chattin on the varous fourms ive ate , 1 shake ( 1 banana some strawberrys , 2 scoups of nitro tech, with milk) , 2 tortillas, some Vegis , and some Sliced roast beef , some oats. About to open up this protien bar.....

 

[Zeo]

6"4 about 230 give or take a few

 

[MJM]

Nice.Bro honestly for me being so lean though would you still consider me a tiny guy?My goal is 200 by the end of this year.After this cycle I'm going to do some HCG Then Iranian Test Enanthate 500 MG/WK and Tren Enanthate 4-500 MG/WK depending on whatever the MG/ML ratio is then that should bloat me up or get me where I want to be.Have you ever used Tren?

6"4 about 230 give or take a few

 

[Zeo]

Nice.Bro honestly for me being so lean though would you still consider me a tiny guy?My goal is 200 by the end of this year.After this cycle I'm going to do some HCG Then Iranian Test Enanthate 500 MG/WK and Tren Enanthate 4-500 MG/WK depending on whatever the MG/ML ratio is then that should bloat me up or get me where I want to be.Have you ever used Tren?

Acually thats not bad at all , 200 is a good goal . Oh yea Im doing that iranian test enanth right now and its Great stuff , you can tell its real high grade. Im getting great gains from it . I acually havent used tren yet , but i will next cycle.

Well bro Online Halo or Warcraft3 is callin me , talk to ya later.

 

[MJM]

Sounds good bro.I appreciate your sincerity and time.Have a good night.

Acually thats not bad at all , 200 is a good goal . Oh yea Im doing that iranian test enanth right now and its Great stuff , you can tell its real high grade. Im getting great gains from it . I acually havent used tren yet , but i will next cycle.

Well bro Online Halo or Warcraft3 is callin me , talk to ya later.

 

[captainjack]

If you don't know how to gain natural, AAS is just no miracle thing, its something you're supposed to earn man. Eat like a fucking rhino, do not overtrain...Hopefully you have a good workout program...I drink Muscle Milk everyday and take Multi Vitamin and Vitamin B12 Injection...Rest is huge also...I haven't been getting much and I feel like shit. I recommend keeping a daily log on diet and training in the gym. Don't think you have bunk gear either, all gear you listed is very reputable and is very immature to blame hindering gains on the gear. It's not the gear, its you and in my opinion you are not anywhere near you genetic limit. You need to learn how to gain without gear and it sounds as if you can't do that, subsequently you are gonna become dependent on gear...

 

[MJM]

Yeah, it's hard as fuck for me to gain bro.I'm not going to lie.Thanks for the solid advice though man.

If you don't know how to gain natural, AAS is just no miracle thing, its something you're supposed to earn man. Eat like a fucking rhino, do not overtrain...Hopefully you have a good workout program...I drink Muscle Milk everyday and take Multi Vitamin and Vitamin B12 Injection...Rest is huge also...I haven't been getting much and I feel like shit. I recommend keeping a daily log on diet and training in the gym. Don't think you have bunk gear either, all gear you listed is very reputable and is very immature to blame hindering gains on the gear. It's not the gear, its you and in my opinion you are not anywhere near you genetic limit. You need to learn how to gain without gear and it sounds as if you can't do that, subsequently you are gonna become dependent on gear...

 

[bronco944]

ok when you first started this cycle it was a test enanthate, tren enanthate, eq,drol cycle right? then i read you drop your test dosage to 250 mg's per week. now its 500 mg's omnadren, dbol, drol. all these changes in the first 4 weeks, ever think maybe thats why your not gaining much size? your gear isnt bunk, your gaining strength adn you seem to ahve all top quality stuff.
im not even gonna coment on what your taking becasue i ahve no idea exactly what youve been running based on your posts. although personaly if i were you id sell your eq,drol,dbol and get more omna's. run em at an amp eod for 12 weeks. i ran an amp of sust ed for week 1 then an amp eod for then next 13 or so and never felt better in my life.keep teh gear simple and work on the rest.
so far ive noticed and msot have pointed out:

water: shoot for 2 gallons ed. soda,milk,coffee,beer, none of those count. if you wnat to add a little flavor use crystal lite. nothing with caffeine. its not taht the caffiene will act as a thermo, its taht it will dehydrate you, defeting the purpose of drinking water right? you need to stay well hydrated its essential for muscle growth and health when on a cycle expesialy when taking orals.

protein: your only taking in 200 grams a day. up that. start at 300 and gradualy increase it as you gain more weight. as your weight increases your protein intake should too, to keep teh gains coming

carbs: no idea how amny your getting now but increase them itsvious your not gettin enough.

fat: again no idea what your taking in but id be willing to bet you could probubly stand to increase this too. not jsut with junk food but with efa's and healthy sources for fat.

total calories: just like with teh macronutrients, you total caloric intake should increase as you weight increases. the more muscle you put on the more food you need to maintain and keep growing

micronutrients (vitamins and minerals): very overlooked. muscles need more than jsut protein to grow. try to meat the general guidelines for your viamins and minerals with solid food and supliment that with a quality multi vitamin. im nota big believer in multi's so thst why i recomend getting your total requirementrs from food and taking them on top of that.

sleep: you say your getting plenty so im not going to question that. if you feel tired at all throughout teh day increase your sleep.

training: if you suddenly increased your training volume and or intensity its possible your overtraining. gradulay increase your total work load as your cycle progresses. dont suddenly change your routine jsut cause you started a cycle. gradualy progress it as your strength and muscular endourance increases.

post workout: take in 100 grams of eitehr dextrose or maltodextrine, 60 grams protein 5 grams creatine, 3-5 grams glutamine and wash it all down with a couple big glasses of water imediately post workout. an hour or so later eat a meal high in protein and carbs consisting of solid food. this is the window when your muscles are primed to absorb these nutrients the most.

before bed: eat a large protein and carb meal of solid foods that take a wile to digest so you get plenty of nutrients as you sleep. this is when most growing actualy occurs.

cardio: flat out dont do any. burn as few calories as possible day to day.

stress: not always controllable but keep your stress as low as possible. stress increases cortisol levels wich is very catabolic. not what you wnat when gaining muscle.

the scale: ignore it. you obviosuyl react like i do with msot roids. i dont bloat at all. dont expect massive gains in weight imediately like some get. when i and other people see dramatic improvements thats what you should be looking at not waht the scale reads.

hope something in this post helps. and what were these questions you were gonna ask me?

 

[GDSGFT]

If you don't know how to gain natural, AAS is just no miracle thing, its something you're supposed to earn man. Eat like a fucking rhino, do not overtrain...Hopefully you have a good workout program...I drink Muscle Milk everyday and take Multi Vitamin and Vitamin B12 Injection...Rest is huge also...I haven't been getting much and I feel like shit. I recommend keeping a daily log on diet and training in the gym. Don't think you have bunk gear either, all gear you listed is very reputable and is very immature to blame hindering gains on the gear. It's not the gear, its you and in my opinion you are not anywhere near you genetic limit. You need to learn how to gain without gear and it sounds as if you can't do that, subsequently you are gonna become dependent on gear...

Ditto! MJM, I've defended you in previous posts where guys on here have flamed you, but bro, you're only 165lbs, that's fuckin tiny unless you're like 4"2!

Why are you even touching AAS?

You remind me of those unmotivated lazy people who use DNP because they think they can't lose weight due to genetics!

Have half of those people tried cutting calories?! NO

Have they tried working their way up from light to intensive cardio?! NO

Steroids are not a magic substance, you won't get big unless you know how to diet and train properly. And if you're only 165lbs, you definetely have not pushed yourself naturally.

You should be spending these X amount of dollars in some FOOD! How much does a cycle cost you? Buy that much in steak, you'll probably end up getting better gains.

I'm only 22 years old, I'm taking it you're somewhere around my age bracket. Fuck your friends off for 6months, train hard, and eat hard. The only places you should be are at work/school, in the gym and at home eating your ass off.

I've been doing this for the last 4months and it's been working fine.

Just my 0.2 cents.

All the best.

 

[MJM]

Thanks a ton bro.You answered many damn questions, now I don't mean to sound stupid and stuff but explain more of this Dextrose/Post workout thing, isn't this wehre people throw in the Insulin?By the way could it be I'm not gianing as well because I'm not taking Cell-Tech?That might have bloated me up my last cycle.Thanks again for your time on this.

ok when you first started this cycle it was a test enanthate, tren enanthate, eq,drol cycle right? then i read you drop your test dosage to 250 mg's per week. now its 500 mg's omnadren, dbol, drol. all these changes in the first 4 weeks, ever think maybe thats why your not gaining much size? your gear isnt bunk, your gaining strength adn you seem to ahve all top quality stuff.
im not even gonna coment on what your taking becasue i ahve no idea exactly what youve been running based on your posts. although personaly if i were you id sell your eq,drol,dbol and get more omna's. run em at an amp eod for 12 weeks. i ran an amp of sust ed for week 1 then an amp eod for then next 13 or so and never felt better in my life.keep teh gear simple and work on the rest.
so far ive noticed and msot have pointed out:

water: shoot for 2 gallons ed. soda,milk,coffee,beer, none of those count. if you wnat to add a little flavor use crystal lite. nothing with caffeine. its not taht the caffiene will act as a thermo, its taht it will dehydrate you, defeting the purpose of drinking water right? you need to stay well hydrated its essential for muscle growth and health when on a cycle expesialy when taking orals.

protein: your only taking in 200 grams a day. up that. start at 300 and gradualy increase it as you gain more weight. as your weight increases your protein intake should too, to keep teh gains coming

carbs: no idea how amny your getting now but increase them itsvious your not gettin enough.

fat: again no idea what your taking in but id be willing to bet you could probubly stand to increase this too. not jsut with junk food but with efa's and healthy sources for fat.

total calories: just like with teh macronutrients, you total caloric intake should increase as you weight increases. the more muscle you put on the more food you need to maintain and keep growing

micronutrients (vitamins and minerals): very overlooked. muscles need more than jsut protein to grow. try to meat the general guidelines for your viamins and minerals with solid food and supliment that with a quality multi vitamin. im nota big believer in multi's so thst why i recomend getting your total requirementrs from food and taking them on top of that.

sleep: you say your getting plenty so im not going to question that. if you feel tired at all throughout teh day increase your sleep.

training: if you suddenly increased your training volume and or intensity its possible your overtraining. gradulay increase your total work load as your cycle progresses. dont suddenly change your routine jsut cause you started a cycle. gradualy progress it as your strength and muscular endourance increases.

post workout: take in 100 grams of eitehr dextrose or maltodextrine, 60 grams protein 5 grams creatine, 3-5 grams glutamine and wash it all down with a couple big glasses of water imediately post workout. an hour or so later eat a meal high in protein and carbs consisting of solid food. this is the window when your muscles are primed to absorb these nutrients the most.

before bed: eat a large protein and carb meal of solid foods that take a wile to digest so you get plenty of nutrients as you sleep. this is when most growing actualy occurs.

cardio: flat out dont do any. burn as few calories as possible day to day.

stress: not always controllable but keep your stress as low as possible. stress increases cortisol levels wich is very catabolic. not what you wnat when gaining muscle.

the scale: ignore it. you obviosuyl react like i do with msot roids. i dont bloat at all. dont expect massive gains in weight imediately like some get. when i and other people see dramatic improvements thats what you should be looking at not waht the scale reads.

hope something in this post helps. and what were these questions you were gonna ask me?

 

[MJM]

Thanks bro I've realised I really need to just eat more.I appreciate your help man.Thanks.

Ditto! MJM, I've defended you in previous posts where guys on here have flamed you, but bro, you're only 165lbs, that's fuckin tiny unless you're like 4"2!

Why are you even touching AAS?

You remind me of those unmotivated lazy people who use DNP because they think they can't lose weight due to genetics!

Have half of those people tried cutting calories?! NO

Have they tried working their way up from light to intensive cardio?! NO

Steroids are not a magic substance, you won't get big unless you know how to diet and train properly. And if you're only 165lbs, you definetely have not pushed yourself naturally.

You should be spending these X amount of dollars in some FOOD! How much does a cycle cost you? Buy that much in steak, you'll probably end up getting better gains.

I'm only 22 years old, I'm taking it you're somewhere around my age bracket. Fuck your friends off for 6months, train hard, and eat hard. The only places you should be are at work/school, in the gym and at home eating your ass off.

I've been doing this for the last 4months and it's been working fine.

Just my 0.2 cents.

All the best.

 

[bronco944]

Thanks a ton bro.You answered many damn questions, now I don't mean to sound stupid and stuff but explain more of this Dextrose/Post workout thing, isn't this wehre people throw in the Insulin?By the way could it be I'm not gianing as well because I'm not taking Cell-Tech?That might have bloated me up my last cycle.Thanks again for your time on this.

yes that post workout shake is a favorite of mine to take with my humalog, but it works great without it also. the carbs raise your insulin levels naturaly wich helps shuttle that protein creatine and glutamine into your muscles. only difference is with insulin you get a much more pronounced effect. if i remember corectly cell tech is jsut 75 grams dextrose with 5 grams creatine right? you can get an 11 pound bucket of dexrose from dps for $10 dont waste your money on cell tech. jsut mix 100 grams dextrose and the creatine glutamine with a half packet or so of unsweetened kool aid mix with a liter of water and it tastes almsot liek regualr koolaide with some gritty shit in it, lol. drink that with a protein shake and another glass of water after thsoe are consumed and your good to go. stll wanna know what those questions were. or was this post it?

 

[MJM]

Jesus man you're on top of things tonight.These were the questions.I have a big ass tub of Maltodextrin what's this do?Do you think the Creatine has a big effect on why I'm not bloating up or gaining much?Thanks.

 

[bronco944]

Jesus man you're on top of things tonight.These were the questions.I have a big ass tub of Maltodextrin what's this do?Do you think the Creatine has a big effect on why I'm not bloating up or gaining much?Thanks.

malto will work jsut as good as dextrose and many prefer it to dextrose. i doubt the creatine is whats making the huge difference but it will help a little.

 

[MJM]

Okay thanks a ton.

malto will work jsut as good as dextrose and many prefer it to dextrose. i doubt the creatine is whats making the huge difference but it will help a little.

 

[MJM]

To the top.

 

[bear6969]

natural

To the top.

i thought you said in another post u were natural???

 

[esco]

your not gaining weight because you haven't got a clue. also you keep putting bloat and gains in the same sentence. bloat is not gains. all the sh*t in the world is not going to help you at 21 155lbs and according to your other thread in general discussion ... you take yellow jackets for energy. that's [pretty much taking a thermogenic(fat burner) ASS!

 

[madman]

My god you are so full of shit. A month ago you had only done a dbol cycle and now you have done a 6 week cycle and starting a second? A man is only as good as his word. Do you continue to wonder why we are always on your ass?

 

[Fronkthis]

Ive also seen in another post that "winny kills his joints"
where the fuck was this winny cycle? fucking liar.
yea your not gaining cuz your not eating enough quality cals. cokes and gatorades? cmon you idiot. what do you eat for carb sources? how many times a day do you eat? mcdonalds, or fresh prepared foods?
Shit I would think your protien consumption was very high becasue of all those dudes loads you take...
MJM this is why we fuck with you. you lie, you ask for info, and advice yet you take no advice we give, and re ask the same questions.

earlier in the thread you wrote my cals are right where they need to be... then you say yeah i realized i wasnt eating enough. why dont you realize next your not ready for AAS.

My god you are so full of shit. A month ago you had only done a dbol cycle and now you have done a 6 week cycle and starting a second? A man is only as good as his word. Do you continue to wonder why we are always on your ass?