Proper time to check fasting blood glucose oh hgh?

[serkan]

It wouldn't be wise to wait until things start to "really" break though, no? Metabolic health isn't an ON/OFF switch.

How would you proceed?

 

[IndividualMan]

It wouldn't be wise to wait until things start to "really" break though, no? Metabolic health isn't an ON/OFF switch.

things start to really break wayy later. past 5.7 A1C heart disease risk rises, but only in the lond term. if you have REAL high blood sugar (200+) for extended periods of time, you get creeping nerve damage and other health complications. 200+ is worlds away from where the fine gentlemen in this thread are.
I agree, taking precautions is always the best thing to do, but you woudn't freak out if your serum E2 was 45 instead of your normal 40 from time to time, or if your BP rose 3-5 points when adding in orals. the changes are noticeable, but nothing to lose your mind about.

I just want to relieve some of my joint problems.

I'm thinking about stopping it. May I ask your opinion? Should I stop taking it? Can I become diabetic by injecting 2-3 IU of HGH? How can I lower my blood sugar despite this?

if you want my honest opinion, just add the tiniest bit of long acting/ super long acting insulin, (Levemir, Tresiba, Lantus, whichever long acting insulin you can get the cheapest) and see how it affects your Blood glucose. No, 2-3 Units of GH will most likely NOT give you diabetes. If you get diabetes, your genetic factors are probably the cause (seeing as your mother is diabetic). At that point, a little GH is not going to be the cause, but maybe an accelerant.

also:

What do you mean by 30-25 C?

where did i say 30-25C? do you mean hemoglobin A1C? it should NOT be that high

 

[serkan]

things start to really break wayy later. past 5.7 A1C heart disease risk rises, but only in the lond term. if you have REAL high blood sugar (200+) for extended periods of time, you get creeping nerve damage and other health complications. 200+ is worlds away from where the fine gentlemen in this thread are.
I agree, taking precautions is always the best thing to do, but you woudn't freak out if your serum E2 was 45 instead of your normal 40 from time to time, or if your BP rose 3-5 points when adding in orals. the changes are noticeable, but nothing to lose your mind about.


if you want my honest opinion, just add the tiniest bit of long acting/ super long acting insulin, (Levemir, Tresiba, Lantus, whichever long acting insulin you can get the cheapest) and see how it affects your Blood glucose. No, 2-3 Units of GH will most likely NOT give you diabetes. If you get diabetes, your genetic factors are probably the cause (seeing as your mother is diabetic). At that point, a little GH is not going to be the cause, but maybe an accelerant.

also:

where did i say 30-25C? do you mean hemoglobin A1C? it should NOT be that high

It's all too complicated for me. Because of the 2-3 IU of HGH, I don't want to add insulin. What do you think about berberine? But I've heard that it inhibits muscle growth. When is the best time to take berberine? Right after my last meal in the evening?

 

[Middus]

It's all too complicated for me. Because of the 2-3 IU of HGH, I don't want to add insulin. What do you think about berberine? But I've heard that it inhibits muscle growth. When is the best time to take berberine? Right after my last meal in the evening?

There are no simple answers. The simplest thing would be to stop HGH till all your glucose metabolism params return to 'normal'/'normal range'.

 

[FuriousAngus]

How would you proceed?

- Dihydroberberine x2 a day (or any other form of berberine that you tolerate well)
- Do actual Z2/3 cardio, 30 minutes 5-7 days a week
- 10 minute walks immediately after meals
- Consider a low dose GLP-1

Your current A1C (just saw this) is fine, but you may also want to check fasting insulin/HOMA-IR.

Honestly, you're unlikely going to get diabetes from a measly 2-3 units of HGH, but if I were you I'd put more effort into improving my insulin sensitivity/blood sugar numbers. If things start to get worse I'd cut out the culprit and maybe diet down until you're all good and go from there.

 

[DugPrime]

I would also test your pre and 30/60/90/120 mins post meal.

damn bro

 

[Ateam2023]

Last night, around 9:30 p.m., I ate pasta with yogurt and ground beef. Around 12:30 a.m., I injected myself with 2 IU of HGH and 3 mg of TB500. This morning, around 9:00 a.m., I checked my blood sugar. My blood sugar was 114. I've checked my blood sugar occasionally over the past few weeks, and it was always between 100 and 105. This morning, it was at its highest at 114.

What can I do about this? I'm taking HGH for anti-aging purposes (joint problems) in addition to BPC 157 + TB500.

Should I stop taking HGH? Can HGH cause diabetes? My mother is diabetic. By the way, my IGF-1 level was 217 before I started taking HGH (I'm 50 years old).

I would appreciate some advice.

well first thing is do some " more research " when it comes to hgh and carb intake times, of course your going to have an elevated fbg ,( granted it was 12 hrs later) it has absolutely nothing to do with the tb500 , so scratch that off your list , ime tb500 does not mess with bg its likely you are insulin resistant and with a history of diabetes in your family, i would closely monitor your hgh intake, and having a igf1 of 217 isn't terribly bad, im also 50+ and that was my last igf1 score was 217, @5 ius , so your a step ahead in terms of results from current dosing, if you aren't already using at least "Berberine" , i would start immediately @500 mg 2x per day preferably after a meal and before bed,,

 

[Mac11wildcat]

damn bro

You don’t need to do this often. Maybe one a month and only when fasted is off. IMO post prandial is generally more important. A lot of things can impact one AM fasted reading.

In an ideal world you’d want fasted glucose, fasted insulin, cortisol, and a1C to really know what’s going on. High glucose AM alone isn’t a strong indicator.

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm not diabetic. My long-term blood sugar level is 5.1 on March 2024 and 5.5 on December 2024. On the days I didn't inject HGH, it was 88-90 the next morning. What do you mean by 30-25 C?

I just want to relieve some of my joint problems.

I'm thinking about stopping it. May I ask your opinion? Should I stop taking it? Can I become diabetic by injecting 2-3 IU of HGH? How can I lower my blood sugar despite this?

often times hgh exasperates joint problems due to fluid retention, also a cause for cts, the bpc157/tb500 will help with the joints, but what will also help with the joints are some sort of anti inflammatory supplements(turmeric/curcumin) , and also lightening up the excercise that is affecting that particular joint,, ymmv , your asking very rudementry questions though , with some "research" you would have most if not all your questions answered,,

 

[FuriousAngus]

often times hgh exasperates joint problems due to fluid retention, also a cause for cts, the bpc157/tb500 will help with the joints, but what will also help with the joints are some sort of anti inflammatory supplements(turmeric/curcumin) , and also lightening up the excercise that is affecting that particular joint,, ymmv , your asking very rudementry questions though , with some "research" you would have most if not all your questions answered,,

I second this; my joints hurt whenever I'm holding a lot of water.

 

[Ateam2023]

things start to really break wayy later. past 5.7 A1C heart disease risk rises, but only in the lond term. if you have REAL high blood sugar (200+) for extended periods of time, you get creeping nerve damage and other health complications. 200+ is worlds away from where the fine gentlemen in this thread are.
I agree, taking precautions is always the best thing to do, but you woudn't freak out if your serum E2 was 45 instead of your normal 40 from time to time, or if your BP rose 3-5 points when adding in orals. the changes are noticeable, but nothing to lose your mind about.


if you want my honest opinion, just add the tiniest bit of long acting/ super long acting insulin, (Levemir, Tresiba, Lantus, whichever long acting insulin you can get the cheapest) and see how it affects your Blood glucose. No, 2-3 Units of GH will most likely NOT give you diabetes. If you get diabetes, your genetic factors are probably the cause (seeing as your mother is diabetic). At that point, a little GH is not going to be the cause, but maybe an accelerant.

also:

where did i say 30-25C? do you mean hemoglobin A1C? it should NOT be that high

IMO terrible advice! Adding slin to a slightly elevated fbg is not the answer, Op do not listen to this information, sure it may help, but you can likely get it under control WITHOUT insulin, jfc talk about extreme measures, try some carb timing, berberine, and if that doesn't help try using some Metformin,,

 

[Ghoul]

I'm not diabetic. My long-term blood sugar level is 5.1 on March 2024 and 5.5 on December 2024. On the days I didn't inject HGH, it was 88-90 the next morning. What do you mean by 30-25 C?

I just want to relieve some of my joint problems.

I'm thinking about stopping it. May I ask your opinion? Should I stop taking it? Can I become diabetic by injecting 2-3 IU of HGH? How can I lower my blood sugar despite this?

Whether you continue using rHGH or not, focus on improving insulin sensitivity.

Something done in the longevity communities.

GLPs are the heavy weapons for this. If you don't want any appetite suppression there's always a low enough dose at which your appetite isn't impacted but insulin sensitivity is improved.

Then look at the other meds you're taking and. determine if they negatively impact insulin sensitivity. Often, one drug that's in the same class and equivalent to another, like ARBs for blood pressure, will improve insulin sensitivity (Telmisartan) while another is neutral or worsens it (Olmesartan). If you're on a statin, they're often associated with higher rates of new onset diabetes because they worsen insulin sensitivity (Lipitor), but switching to Pitavaststatin improves it.

While none of these other drugs significantly impacts insulin sensitivity on its own (unlike GLPs), carefully choosing the one that can help improve, or at least not worsen it can really add up to better glucose control. And that has a major impact over time on many aspects of health, including cognition. Insulin resistance in neurons is associated with many kinds of degenerative brain diseases, and even increases the likelihood of psychiatric problems and addiction.

 

[ComancheChief]

Whether you continue using rHGH or not, focus on improving insulin sensitivity.

Something done in the longevity communities.

GLPs are the heavy weapons for this. If you don't want any appetite suppression there's always a low enough dose at which your appetite isn't impacted but insulin sensitivity is improved.

Then look at the other meds you're taking and. determine if they negatively impact insulin sensitivity. Often, one drug that's in the same class and equivalent to another, like ARBs for blood pressure, will improve insulin sensitivity (Telmisartan) while another is neutral or worsens it (Olmesartan). If you're on a statin, they're often associated with higher rates of new onset diabetes because they worsen insulin sensitivity (Lipitor), but switching to Pitavaststatin improves it.

While none of these other drugs significantly impacts insulin sensitivity on its own (unlike GLPs), carefully choosing the one that can help improve, or at least not worsen it can really add up to better glucose control. And that has a major impact over time on many aspects of health, including cognition. Insulin resistance in neurons is associated with many kinds of degenerative brain diseases, and even increases the likelihood of psychiatric problems and addiction.

Are you a virgin?

 

[Ghoul]

Are you a virgin?

This is a serious topic being discussed by serious people.

Have something positive to contribute, or do you think acting like you did in high school will make you popular with the "cool" crowd?

There are plenty of threads in general discussion where you can act like a juvenile ass to your heart's content.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

There should be ZERO talk of adding drugs like GLP1s or insulin for a fasted BG of 90-110. These are not throw the kitchen sink numbers.

Check your diet and spacing between GH and food. Check your sleep. Check your post-prandial BG and fasting insulin. Consider some cardio and a dihydroberberine supp. No reason to panic here.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Type 1 Diabetic here,
a Blood sugar of 114 is absolutely nothing to worry about, especially at 50, especially considering some people get a slight morning peak of blood sugar during puberty, which for some peopley returns as they age.

A fasted blood glucose of 114 is SO FAR away from the point you actually have to worry (I would start worrying upwards of 135 despite countermeasures if I was a non-diabetic) especially if it goes down into the 90s-80s after waking/ moving around the house a bit.

Due to Diabetes having a pretty strong genetic component, you probably want to keep an eye on your A1C (preferrably below 5.7) and maybe visit a doctor at some point in the future.

Good context, thanks

Last night, around 9:30 p.m., I ate pasta with yogurt and ground beef. Around 12:30 a.m., I injected myself with 2 IU of HGH and 3 mg of TB500. This morning, around 9:00 a.m., I checked my blood sugar. My blood sugar was 114. I've checked my blood sugar occasionally over the past few weeks, and it was always between 100 and 105. This morning, it was at its highest at 114.

What can I do about this? I'm taking HGH for anti-aging purposes (joint problems) in addition to BPC 157 + TB500.

Should I stop taking HGH? Can HGH cause diabetes? My mother is diabetic. By the way, my IGF-1 level was 217 before I started taking HGH (I'm 50 years old).

I would appreciate some advice.

GH can contribute to insulin resistance but not frank diabetes (or at least I seriously doubt it), especially at 2 IU

I don't know why your FBG is creeping up, maybe it's nothing, many factors involved

But I also wouldn't sweat it too much -- those numbers aren't horrible and presumably you're somewhat physically active

 

[AlexDavis43]

Good context, thanks



GH can contribute to insulin resistance but not frank diabetes (or at least I seriously doubt it), especially at 2 IU

I don't know why your FBG is creeping up, maybe it's nothing, many factors involved

But I also wouldn't sweat it too much -- those numbers aren't horrible and presumably you're somewhat physically active

@serkan could also consider trying again but after you had a low carb dinner the night before

There were some studies on carryover effects from dinner but I think it was a high or low glycemic index dinner, and they were measuring the glycemic response to breakfast.

So not a direct parallel but it suggests a possibility

 

[Ghoul]

There should be ZERO talk of adding drugs like GLP1s or insulin for a fasted BG of 90-110. These are not throw the kitchen sink numbers.

Check your diet and spacing between GH and food. Check your sleep. Check your post-prandial BG and fasting insulin. Consider some cardio and a dihydroberberine supp. No reason to panic here.

I agree regarding insulin. but those numbers are with him already taking Berberine.

At 50, with a genetic predisposition to diabetes, pre-diabetes fasting BG, a low dose GLP would improve insulin sensitivity with more safety and a lower side effect profile than the berberine he's on. I don't see any downside to a GLP in his case, especially as a replacement for berberine.

It's not going to cause hypoglycemia and will slow the age related progression of insulin resistance.

 

[serkan]

@serkan könnte auch einen erneuten Versuch in Erwägung ziehen, aber nachdem du am Vorabend ein Low-Carb-Abendessen hattest

Es gab einige Studien zu den Auswirkungen des Abendessens auf die Blutzuckerwerte, aber ich glaube, es handelte sich um ein Abendessen mit hohem oder niedrigem glykämischen Index, und sie haben die glykämische Reaktion auf das Frühstück gemessen.

Es handelt sich also nicht um eine direkte Parallele, aber es deutet auf eine Möglichkeit hin

@AlexDavis43 The problem is, I go to the gym in the evening and get home around 10 p.m. I want to eat something after my workout. Everything's pretty late for me. I'll try not eating carbs in the evening. Should I perhaps inject HGH on an empty stomach in the morning? I slept very badly last night. Maybe it's because of the lack of sleep that my blood pressure has risen so high?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hi

What is the proper timing to check fasting blood glucose for impacts from hgh?

Currently on 6iu taken at night around 10pm.

I wake up around 0530 and measure it at about 0550. It’s been coming in high at 90-110.

If I measure it after my morning LISS (with no food) at like 0800 it comes in at 70-80 which obviously is no concern.

Blood tests don’t show elevated hba1c, but I’ve only been on this for about 2 months so have a single data point.

Am I just measuring it too early when the hgh is still having too much impact?

Diet is very clean from bad carbs, no fried foods, desserts, fast food, crap like that.

Fasting means you have been not eating over a period of time. Could be about 8 hours after your last meal.


I still think A1C is best