Proviron damage?

[foreveryoung]

never had much libido from proviron, I personally think that a lot of the anecdotal reports are from guys that are taking more than just proviron and are crediting good things to the proviron

taking it with tren seems to be even more of a waste

 

[Xlgx]

Read a post from mike Arnold on proviron. Mentioned how it's a non methylated oral compared to var, winny, dbol or primo.
Any guys on here have any experience with proviron only cycle? No test or other compounds.

 

[Wunderpus]

Read a post from mike Arnold on proviron. Mentioned how it's a non methylated oral compared to var, winny, dbol or primo.
Any guys on here have any experience with proviron only cycle? No test or other compounds.

1 methyl-dihydrotestosterone

 

[Xlgx]

1 methyl-dihydrotestosterone

Perhaps it's not hepatoxic compared to the other orals mentioned?

 

[Wunderpus]

Perhaps it's not hepatoxic compared to the other orals mentioned?

It will provide nothing for you as for as anabolism is concerned. The hepatoxicity of most orals is largely overstated. Dbol, Tbol, var and primo are all fine. You would be wasting your time with a proviron only cycle.

 

[heady muscle]

it should be dosed on a periodic perhaps weekly basis, IMO.

Please expand on the how and why of this?
Thanks

 

[Dr JIM]

Although methylation at the 17 Alpha position is required for GI absorption, it's also responsible for the "hepatotoxic" effects of oral AAS.

Consequently although Proviron is not toxic, since it's not methylated at 17A", its GI absorption also SUCKS averaging ONE PERCENT of the ingested dose!

IF Proviron affords any benefit to those users with SD it's likely the result of DHT SHBG offloading.

However over a short interval, perhaps a week, an equilibrium is reached between bound and unbound DHT and PV that no more DHT offloading can occur, (bc it's all been offloaded).

The net effect of this occurring is no further rise of DHT levels and no continued SD benefit.

It's for this reason I suggest PV be used in a cyclical manner, IF used AT ALL.

 

[Wunderpus]

Although methylation at the 17 Alpha position is required for GI absorption, it's also responsible for the "hepatotoxic" effects of oral AAS.

Consequently although Proviron is not toxic, since it's not methylated at 17A", its GI absorption also SUCKS averaging ONE PERCENT of the ingested dose!

IF Proviron affords any benefit to those users with SD it's likely the result of DHT SHBG offloading.

However over a short interval, perhaps a week, an equilibrium is reached between bound and unbound DHT and PV that no more DHT offloading can occur, (bc it's all been offloaded).

The net effect of this occurring is no further rise of DHT levels and no continued SD benefit.

It's for this reason I suggest PV be used in a cyclical manner, IF used AT ALL.

Basically, what I'm gather from you is: cost to benefit ratio, not looking so good for proviron. Yes?

Anecdotally I have used proviron as a libido booster, it does seem very strong for the first week to 10 days, but the effects do taper down. Further evidence of your statement? probably.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Although methylation at the 17 Alpha position is required for GI absorption, it's also responsible for the "hepatotoxic" effects of oral AAS.

Consequently although Proviron is not toxic, since it's not methylated at 17A", its GI absorption also SUCKS averaging ONE PERCENT of the ingested dose!

IF Proviron affords any benefit to those users with SD it's likely the result of DHT SHBG offloading.

However over a short interval, perhaps a week, an equilibrium is reached between bound and unbound DHT and PV that no more DHT offloading can occur, (bc it's all been offloaded).

The net effect of this occurring is no further rise of DHT levels and no continued SD benefit.

It's for this reason I suggest PV be used in a cyclical manner, IF used AT ALL.

and this corrolates EXACTLY with my own real world experience with proviron. Used it and for 2 weeks had a boost in sex drive after which the boost disappeared.
I have tried running it a few ways and all this stuff you read on forums hyping this stuff up is IMO just that, hype. Its pretty much a useless compound IMO.

 

[Wunderpus]

Basically, what I'm gather from you is: cost to benefit ratio, not looking so good for proviron. Yes?

Anecdotally I have used proviron as a libido booster, it does seem very strong for the first week to 10 days, but the effects do taper down. Further evidence of your statement? probably.

@Jimmyinkedup same

 

[rubisean]

Fuck, you take 1mg a DAY of Adex?

1mg per week crushes my E2

 

[Dr JIM]

Basically, what I'm gather from you is: cost to benefit ratio, not looking so good for proviron. Yes?

Anecdotally I have used proviron as a libido booster, it does seem very strong for the first week to 10 days, but the effects do taper down. Further evidence of your statement? probably.

Heck no bc as a bro scientist all that is required to prove a PED theory
was on spot is a single anecdote like yours, but having two mates (yourself and JI) experience the optimal therapeutic PV window in THE SAME THREAD on the SAME DAY, with the SAME THOUGHT, well it just doesn't get any better than that mate.

Next the New England Journal of Medicine!!

The TITLE:
The OPTIMAL THERAPEUTIC WINDOW of PROVIRON in the TREATMENT of SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION

And it was posted on Meso first

 

[Wunderpus]

Heck no bc as a bro scientist all that is required to prove a PED theory
was on spot is a single anecdote like yours, but having two mates (yourself and JI) experience the optimal therapeutic PV window in THE SAME THREAD on the SAME DAY, with the SAME THOUGHT, well it just doesn't get any better than that mate.

Next the New England Journal of Medicine!!

The TITLE:
The OPTIMAL THERAPEUTIC WINDOW of PROVIRON in the TREATMENT of SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION

And it was posted on Meso first

Ah Jim, I will forever love your back handed compliments

On a serious note, thank you for the info here. I have always felt as though proviron was overrated.

 

[Dr JIM]

Ah Jim, I will forever love your back handed compliments

On a serious note, thank you for the info here. I have always felt as though proviron was overrated.

Yes and I certainly hope that post was a jab at "bro scientists" whom seem to believe that notion a couple of anecdotes is ALL THAT IS REQUIRED.

The difference, at least my suggestion is based on established physiology and the varied affinity of SHBG for PV, DHT and their short half lives of these androgens, in addition to a few other evidence based citations.

Kidding aside having mates report their respective outcomes can be helpful PROVIDING they also consider (and include) other factors which may influence THEIR experience, such as what other drugs they may be using which could alter SD.

Interestingly, PV is a classic example of a PED (an obvious misnomer) that has an inherent placebo effect.

Why? Because everyone KNOWS it improves Sexual drive and performance.

After all this well established benefit has been remarked upon in probably every PED forum and for someone to suggest "golly that shit did nothing for me" is the hallmark of a member with altered (bad) physiology!

But cus everyone "is different" being a PV non-responder although rare, may occur to a few unfortunate mates.

That is a classic bro explanation IME

 

[Wunderpus]

Yes and I certainly hope that post was a jab at "bro scientists" whom seem to believe that notion a couple of anecdotes is ALL THAT IS REQUIRED.

The difference, at least my suggestion is based on established physiology and the varied affinity of SHBG for PV, DHT and their short half lives of these androgens, in addition to a few other evidence based citations.

Kidding aside having mates report their respective outcomes can be helpful PROVIDING they also consider (and include) other factors which may influence THEIR experience, such as what other drugs they may be using which could alter SD.

Interestingly, PV is a classic example of a PED (an obvious misnomer) that has an inherent placebo effect.

Why? Because everyone KNOWS it improves Sexual drive and performance.

After all this well established benefit has been remarked upon in probably every PED forum and for someone to suggest "golly that shit did nothing for me" is the hallmark of a member with altered (bad) physiology!

But cus everyone "is different" being a PV non-responder although rare, may occur to a few unfortunate mates.

That is a classic bro explanation IME

Definitely! Wasn't using my experience as proof for anything. Merely, I was stating I've found it useless for myself. I will try running it for a week at a time every so often, since I have a bunch, and see how it feels.

 

[roastdawg]

I take on average 3 mg a day. 1mg is pharma, 2mg is ugl, no idea how well it's dosed

How's your lipids on that dose?