PW HGH and insulin users - when do you fit your cardio in?

[LSDPowerlifting]

I figured I'm wasting my lifting gains if I'm just sipping a shake on the treadmill for 45 minutes after lifting, rather than doing pw meal, lifting and intra-shake, and then pw meal (or is it being a shake a must?)

My cardio is always low-intensity, and everyday

Up until today I'd been taking 8iu novolin R, eating pw meal, lifting and cardio with intra-shake, and then post workout meal

Today I took 12iu novolin r, ate pw meal, lifted with intra-shake and came right home and ate a meal so I could catch the end of the peak of the novolin R. Should the postworkout meal always be a shake instead to get it in really quickly? With Log I'm planning on doing 8iu preworkout, with the same pw meal, lifting with Intra-shake, and then 4iu shot of Log with post meal or shake.

What I did today isn't going to work, I took in 2287 calories in about 2 and a half hours around my training. I'm just having trouble locking in a diet so that I can make the slin fit Into it

When should I do my cardio? I'm fuckin lost.

I think it might be that trying to ram nutrients in pre and post workout is too much for me being this small (225 īand not lean) since I don't want to diet better and maybe I just better stick to preworkout Log only and just keep doing it like I was doing with the 45 minutes of cardio (always LISS) after lifting

 

[Hungrymofo]

You’re still receiving the benefits of LISS cardio even in a fed state after your post workout shake. That being cardiovascular and energy expenditure.

I personally do this ..
-Eat 2hr preworkout
-GH (2iu)1hr pre workout
-EAA and electrolytes intraworkout,
-Insulin Regular (10iu) immediately after lifting
-30min walk around gym plaza while the insulin has not taken effect yet.
-Whey, rice cereal, banana right after.
-Mixed whole food meal 1hr later
-2iu GH at bedtime
30min on airdyne bike fasted in the morning

In theory, GH, insulin and food are all at their peak at the same time post workout. While you still receive the fat burning, protein sparing effect of GH. This is during a growth phase for me. Adding the insulin didn’t really change my diet.

Honestly, at the end of the day, nutrition, training and recovery is the main driver of it all. Worrying about the small nuances and timing of things probably won’t make a noticeable difference. Do what works for your schedule.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

You’re still receiving the benefits of LISS cardio even in a fed state after your post workout shake. That being cardiovascular and energy expenditure.

For sure, I guess I initially was worried that it would be taking away from the muscles that I just lifted with being able to grow if I wasn't pounding more nutrients in with slin right after lifting, but I'm still sipping my intra-shake for most of the time on the treadmill afterwards anyway. I went back to just 8iu regular preworkout with a meal immediately afterward. I'm going hypo at 20 minutes on novolin R sometimes so I'm having to immediately start making my preworkout meal, I know a shake would be better and faster entry of protein into my cells than a meal, I just can't stand 2 shakes in a row and I am immediately sipping my intra shake after I finish my meal, I just kinda trickle it into my bloodstream attempting to keep bg between 100 and 120 using a freestyle libre 2 sensor to check it frequently, I have no idea and can't find the answer if there's an optimal bg level to be at during training.

I personally do this ..
-Eat 2hr preworkout
-GH (2iu)1hr pre workout
-EAA and electrolytes intraworkout,
-Insulin Regular (10iu) immediately after lifting
-30min walk around gym plaza while the insulin has not taken effect yet.
-Whey, rice cereal, banana right after.
-Mixed whole food meal 1hr later
-2iu GH at bedtime
30min on airdyne bike fasted in the morning

I should mention my preworkout dose is a single daily 20iu bolus, it doesn't realy seem to change much as far as insulin dose as far as I can tell, I mean I know it does, but just a small increase in dose. All of the graphs I've seen of HGH peak blood serum look like it peaks at 2 hours to me just like regular slin, so I'm taking

20iu GH
8iu regular
PW meal at 20 or 30 minutes
Start slowly sipping intra shake at 45
minutes, just like a tiny sip every 5
minutes, it's a loaded shake imo
Start training at 1 hour and 30 minutes, a
little sooner than I'd like to, but I can't
really get around it
Start LISS 2 hours 45 minutes for 45
minutes, finishing shake at about 30
minutes into LISS
I'm waiting a while to eat postworkout now,
it's just too much food and calories too
quickly for me, but I feel like that shake
provided plenty of nutrients and I'm just
not big enough to be taking in more

Why do you take electrolytes pw and what product(s) do you use? I've never bothered with electrolytes before and have little understanding of them

How come no carbs with your intra shake to release insulin and help drive those EAA's in? Or is there carbs in your electrolytes?

I like that postworkout slin and nutrients, it looks perfect to me, I see all these guys saying just slam a shake right after a fat shot of Log or regular, but that would have me hypo as fuck and raiding the fridge in an eating frenzy in 40 minutes

How come you don't prefer your nightime 2iu's in the morning with some EAA's right before the airbike? I never get why guys who do their GH in the morning with fasted cardio after don't just take some straight protein in one powdered form or the other with their GH shot and then do their cardio, it seems like it would be way more productive for keeping/gaining muscle while still being able to get most of the fat loss to me.

In theory, GH, insulin and food are all at their peak at the same time post workout. While you still receive the fat burning, protein sparing effect of GH. This is during a growth phase for me. Adding the insulin didn’t really change my diet.

I'm just all about the growth for now and I love pumping up my workout, and guys are so split on whether taking slin pw or pw, if you're only gonna take it once, is better, it just makes my workout much nicer. I understand it not changing your diet, they always say to make the slin fit your diet, not your diet fit your slin, 10iu's is a fuckton for me and calls for quite a bit of food, 8iu is great for me right now, probably still too much even.

Slin is tough to get a grasp of for me because there's so few guys doing it amd the ones who are have protocols that very a ton, it's seems to work great a ton of different ways though. I think when I switch to Log I might still do a postworkout meal shot, it'll just be at biggest half the size of my preworkout, and I might split a meal in half to keep from going hypo and have two quick meals with it, and I plan on even putting a little time in between my workout and post workout slin because it just too much food in such a short time span, I'm getting fat enough already.

 

[Hungrymofo]

The electrolyte is just a Propel powder mix. Some sodium and potassium. Im eating almost 5k calories per day, I’m not worried about being depleted during a workout. I guess I like the idea of using my natural energy stores then replenishing with food afterwords. Just personal preference.

How come you don't prefer your nightime 2iu's in the morning with some EAA's right before the airbike?

Because the GH wouldn’t kick in for another two hours if I took it in the morning. Plus, theoretically I’d be most “insulin resistant” hours after which is right at the time I’d be eating.
I don’t get why people take GH upon waking and think waiting 30mins is enough. 2-4hrs post injection is when FFA are highest and insulin sensitivity is worst. Which is when they will be pounding food.

I think when I switch to Log I might still do a postworkout meal shot, it'll just be at biggest half the size of my preworkout, and I might split a meal in half to keep from going hypo and have two quick meals with it, and I plan on even putting a little time in between my workout and post workout slin because it just too much food in such a short time span, I'm getting fat enough already.

All of that thinking is why I just avoid insulin preworkout lol it makes me sluggish and hyper focused on food. My protocol doesn’t change whether on days I use it or not. The slin should just supplement your existing intake.
Do you really think you need the insulin at all?
Don’t let it get you fat. Lower your food intake throughout the day if you feel you need to consume so much around your workout.

 

[Hungrymofo]

single daily 20iu bolus

Holy shit that’s a lot. Why is your dose so high? I pray you have a very high net worth haha or you are way better off using that money for investments and traveling.

It looks like your protocol is fine btw. Even the pros do shit that goes against “science” and research.

 

[Bigzach1234]

You’re still receiving the benefits of LISS cardio even in a fed state after your post workout shake. That being cardiovascular and energy expenditure.

I personally do this ..
-Eat 2hr preworkout
-GH (2iu)1hr pre workout
-EAA and electrolytes intraworkout,
-Insulin Regular (10iu) immediately after lifting
-30min walk around gym plaza while the insulin has not taken effect yet.
-Whey, rice cereal, banana right after.
-Mixed whole food meal 1hr later
-2iu GH at bedtime
30min on airdyne bike fasted in the morning

In theory, GH, insulin and food are all at their peak at the same time post workout. While you still receive the fat burning, protein sparing effect of GH. This is during a growth phase for me. Adding the insulin didn’t really change my diet.

Honestly, at the end of the day, nutrition, training and recovery is the main driver of it all. Worrying about the small nuances and timing of things probably won’t make a noticeable difference. Do what works for your schedule.

This is a really great protocol, I like it a lot. You aren't overthinking anything, keeping it simple and effective. Props for finding something that works and isn't overly complicated. Gonna save this protocol for down the road if I decide to use insulin on my growth phase.

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

The electrolyte is just a Propel powder mix. Some sodium and potassium. Im eating almost 5k calories per day, I’m not worried about being depleted during a workout. I guess I like the idea of using my natural energy stores then replenishing with food afterwords. Just personal preference.



Because the GH wouldn’t kick in for another two hours if I took it in the morning. Plus, theoretically I’d be most “insulin resistant” hours after which is right at the time I’d be eating.
I don’t get why people take GH upon waking and think waiting 30mins is enough. 2-4hrs post injection is when FFA are highest and insulin sensitivity is worst. Which is when they will be pounding food.

I always figured those fasted cardio peeps had at least an hour in-between shot and the start of their cardio, but they'd really need two hours and most of them for sure aren't doing that. I like what you're doing, I should have been able to figure that out. I don't think I'll ever be a fasted training person, though.

All of that thinking is why I just avoid insulin preworkout lol it makes me sluggish and hyper focused on food. My protocol doesn’t change whether on days I use it or not. The slin should just supplement your existing intake.
Do you really think you need the insulin at all?
Don’t let it get you fat. Lower your food intake throughout the day if you feel you need to consume so much around your workout.

As soon as I don't have so much time on my hands to be nitpicking the food intake and timing and drugs I'm stealing your protocol, with more GH, though.
I did gain some weight, calories were coming in between 5k and 7k for 10 days, I lowered the slin to 6iu Log preworkout and an iu of Log and an iu of regular right before my postworkout meal, which comes about 2 hours after training, this is the only way I can get the postworkout slin to fit my diet, if I take more I might as well make another shake to sip on after my postworkout meal or eat 2 meals quickly and then I'll be way-over calories. I've only been cutting the last 4 days at 4500, and I'm definitely weighting more calories around my workout as I should be, it's seeming to work great, I just gotta keep the discipline, and if in a week 4500 isn't doing much I'll drop to 4k, but my morning weight just went from 231 to 223 in 4 days, fucking loooots of water.

Holy shit that’s a lot. Why is your dose so high? I pray you have a very high net worth haha or you are way better off using that money for investments and traveling.

It looks like your protocol is fine btw. Even the pros do shit that goes against “science” and research.

I just wanted to see what would happen to me on a ton of growth and roids. I've come to believe it's more so the drugs how these dudes get so big than I had thought before after trying a lot of drugs for myself.

What about my protocol is against the science? A giant preworkout bolus is with slin and food and an intra shake is just going to be ramming a ton of nutrients into my muscles all the way through training, plus melting fat off me and driving some of that into muscles, then light slin with the postworkout meal to relieve the pancreas a little and to drive a little extra nutrients in faster as my preworkout bolus is still kicking pretty hard at 4 or 5 hours post injection, so that's even a tiny bit more fat melted and driven into muscles.

I just worry that I'll become diabetic if I divide the 20iu's up and take a fuckton of shots of slin throughout the day, I mean I'm certain that I would. Even Type2x stands by the power of the bolus. Chase Irons noticed little difference in taking 18iu at once or taking nine 2iu shots per day besides a little better fat loss on the multiple shots. Where is the science showing a bolus to be a huge waste of GH? I don't know of any.