Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

[Sampei]

This is very untrue actually. There's a bell curve for people who have money and how they spend it.

The people who genuinely have money to spend still save it. I work in finance and I can tell you right now the folks who have that mercedes, corvette, etc. are barely getting by more than half the time. The vast majority of the country doesn't even have 10k in their bank account, yet how many people do you see in big ass houses with nice new cars? I used to only order US domestic sources because of brand loyalty and I was broke as fuck. I make 3x the salary now and would gladly order a bunch of oral raws from China and cap them myself than spend 10x the price to get it from someone who is "cleaner" (it's the same drug). Do you know where your US domestic sources get everything from? Probably one of the dirty chinese labs too.

TRULY rich people cut costs wherever they can. That's how they maintain being truly rich. I REGULARLY deny lawyers, doctors, business owners, etc. financial products because they fuck up their expenses so bad that they can't be trusted to pay it back. "more money more problems" is a very real saying.

Obviously there are outliers like pop icons taking private jets everywhere- but the most financially responsible people in the real world are still driving a paid off toyota camry while the hotshot lawyer is opening multiple credit card lines to buy their custom steroid oils and not get their wife's G Wagon impounded.

If you actually cared about your health that much you wouldn't be taking steroids to begin with. I don't care about the argument and didn't even read the posts before this- but there's a difference between being rich and being wealthy. Rich people go broke to prove that they're rich. Wealthy people live modest lives and pass it down.

Yeah nice story too bad you are talking in general I'm talking regarding a specific thing.

If you have an hobby and you are rich are you gonna spend your money for low quality shit or get the best of the best that you can afford?

I personally know few millionaires and sure as hell for the stuff they care and love they do spend quite a lot of money, completely understandable what the fuck have you earned all those money if you can't afford a BETTER life than other ppl?

See that's the issue, you think with better I mean just more expensive stuff or more stuff in general.

Nope. I don't know what you like but for example have you ever bought something made of leather? So you can buy for example a LV leather bag (cool sure, lots of money) but not really that high quality and still mass produced (kinda), or you can go to one of those few niche almost extinct shop that works leather in a way where they can't even push the quantity of a big brand but the quality... Oh boy the quality

Food? Same shit, you can go to do food shopping in Walmart or you can go to small producers where their life is providing quality food for just a few and the price well the price is very high but the taste and the emotions that you will experience through that food

You can be financially minded without being a fucking hobo or a wannabe billionaire without having the money for it and go broke trying to look like one.

It's not like we are talking about spending millions on gear anyway, we are talking pocket money for any 1% earner of any country that is not a third world country.

So be fucking real.

 

[readalot]

Yeah nice story too bad you are talking in general I'm talking regarding a specific thing.

If you have an hobby and you are rich are you gonna spend your money for low quality shit or get the best of the best that you can afford?

I personally know few millionaires and sure as hell for the stuff they care and love they do spend quite a lot of money, completely understandable what the fuck have you earned all those money if you can't afford a BETTER life than other ppl?

See that's the issue, you think with better I mean just more expensive stuff or more stuff in general.

Nope. I don't know what you like but for example have you ever bought something made of leather? So you can buy for example a LV leather bag (cool sure, lots of money) but not really that high quality and still mass produced (kinda), or you can go to one of those few niche almost extinct shop that works leather in a way where they can't even push the quantity of a big brand but the quality... Oh boy the quality

Food? Same shit, you can go to do food shopping in Walmart or you can go to small producers where their life is providing quality food for just a few and the price well the price is very high but the taste and the emotions that you will experience through that food

You can be financially minded without being a fucking hobo or a wannabe billionaire without having the money for it and go broke trying to look like one.

Simple false dilemma as presented above. Thanks for illuminating door number 3.

 

[egruberman]

And report all the same things: smooth as butter, can't tell where I pinned it, easily absorbed, no knots nothing to report.

So, subjective measures only. I don't really have a problem with PIP. I tend to stick to test C 250mg/ml and primo E 200mg/ml and generally doubt I'd really ever push harder than 2ml/day. I've no need for higher concentration compounds and if I did, that might spark my interest in brewing.

why wouldn't you try to find the best quality on everything you are injecting into your body?

It just needs to be "good enough" as far as I'm concerned, or more specifically, I care that what I get is what it's claimed to be. QSC gear gets a lot of scrutiny. "Quality" according to your definition is subjective, in which case finding the best quality gear sounds like a time consuming process. As I mentioned earlier, it's a staple. I just want to place an order and forget about it.

Does it make a difference? Don't know but sure as hell if money is not problem I would not even think twice to ever buy anything that is not at very high standards.

In theory, sure, but what is the standard against which you're measuring?

I understand your point and your perspective. I gather that's what got you into brewing. I have different needs one of which is that I spend as little time and effort on those aspects of my life that don't yield value. Maybe I could find a vendor that offers gear with better feels by my subjective standard, but doing so sounds like a time consuming process. I'm never going to compete in a show and I'm close enough to death that I only have a few blasts left and enough gear on hand for that. If I had a lifetime of bodybuilding ahead of me, I imagine I would think differently.

 

[Sampei]

So, subjective measures only. I don't really have a problem with PIP. I tend to stick to test C 250mg/ml and primo E 200mg/ml and generally doubt I'd really ever push harder than 2ml/day. I've no need for higher concentration compounds and if I did, that might spark my interest in brewing.



It just needs to be "good enough" as far as I'm concerned, or more specifically, I care that what I get is what it's claimed to be. QSC gear gets a lot of scrutiny. "Quality" according to your definition is subjective, in which case finding the best quality gear sounds like a time consuming process. As I mentioned earlier, it's a staple. I just want to place an order and forget about it.



In theory, sure, but what is the standard against which you're measuring?

I understand your point and your perspective. I gather that's what got you into brewing. I have different needs one of which is that I spend as little time and effort on those aspects of my life that don't yield value. Maybe I could find a vendor that offers gear with better feels by my subjective standard, but doing so sounds like a time consuming process. I'm never going to compete in a show and I'm close enough to death that I only have a few blasts left and enough gear on hand for that. If I had a lifetime of bodybuilding ahead of me, I imagine I would think differently.

Sure I'm not saying you are an idiot for buying Chinese oils but I wouldn't use your arguments about having money and still buying Chinese oils.

You explained it beautifully in the last part of your message above. Can't argue with that but THAT is a very specific reason that is very personal and comes from your own perspective.

It's like being a cocaine addict and buying it at the corner of a street from a very reliable guy but still it's a corner of a street.

 

[egruberman]

If you have an hobby and you are rich are you gonna spend your money for low quality shit or get the best of the best that you can afford?

This is how foolish rich people get fleeced for money. This is commonplace in the world of single malt whisky where it's easy to drop $1k on some stupid limited release no age statement single malt from Diageo or some such and inevitably these people take a sip and utter the word, "smooooooth". These are the same people that would never touch a 12yo bottle of Old Pulteney nor be able to tell you why it's an interesting whisky.

If you have an hobby and you are rich are you gonna spend your money for low quality shit or get the best of the best that you can afford?

Financially prudent people tend to look for value.

if you can't afford a BETTER life than other ppl?

More money doesn't make a better life. At some point having a sufficient amount of money will make most of the problems that other people experience go away. That frees one to pursue other interests, some of which may lead to a better, more satisfying life.

Food?

This is hilarious. I cook most every meal and buy the best quality food I can find. I may spend $1500-2000 a month at most. Friend of mine sold a business for $22m, wife drives an Audi R8 and is one of those people that won't drink a bottle of single malt that costs less than $1k. They shop for most of their food at Costco. Point being, different folks prioritize different things.

 

[Stealth500]

Sure I'm not saying you are an idiot for buying Chinese oils but I wouldn't use your arguments about having money and still buying Chinese oils.

you seem to hold this assumption that probably the largest manufacturer of ugl roids in one of the biggest economies in the world doesn't have access to high quality carrier oils.

 

[egruberman]

You explained it beautifully in the last part of your message above. Can't argue with that but THAT is a very specific reason that is very personal and comes from your own perspective.

Indeed. My original post was something along the lines of: "affordability is not problem, and I still buy from QSC" which obviously is to suit my specific needs. Then I asked about what comprised "quality" and you answered. You offered a subjective distinction, which is worthwhile, as is the choice of those that use vendors that offer better better customer service. However, I'm still wondering if there's an objective distinction that one could make.

 

[5thGen]

Say what all want about QSC,,, still by far has the best DHB anywhere … I don’t know how they do it.. it’s liquid glass , zero PIP

 

[Sover7farms]

I think its over, BUT I wouldn’t be surprised if Tracy hits us with a new years promo.

I’m sure there will be, and I got another big order to place

 

[throwawaybb21]

Does anyone with informed delivery know where the pack is coming from? Just curious

 

[bjjgear]

They shop for most of their food at Costco.

Which is a sign of upper crust of society in multiple ways. Anyone talking shit about Costco food gets blocked

 

[Kiraa710]

@Qingdao Sigma Chemicals any updates on SLU-PPP

 

[readalot]

However, I'm still wondering if there's an objective distinction that one could make

look at my previous post. I posted a picture of my floaters this was about a month ago. I posted it, people just made jokes about it and I threw the vials that had it in the trash.

I've gotten a bunch of "floater" vials from QSC, I thought that was just the price of doing business with them, that you may be throwing some of your order away.

One of my vials just had one big floater in it, I had my wife who has great vision suck that one out with a syringe and I still used the vial.

Also as I said. I am sure the floaters are sterile filter particles. Body would probably lyse it away

Floaters or not I don't even check to be honest. Everything ive shot for the past idk how many years, I've never had one issue so I don't expect to have any.

Had to check my 10 vials of qsc primo too
9 vials seem clean
1 vial with a big ass floater

The newer batchs will have a different quality rubber stoppers, and all this will issues from floaters from fallen rubber stopper pieces will be sorted for good.

One last weakness in our business to solve.

TRANSLATION
We used inexpensive stoppers to give you the best price. Sure we knew some viles had floaters, but you guys are cheap ass degenerate drug users. You guy will complain but wont go anywhere else. We have found a even more inexpensive rubber stopper so hopefully no more floaters.

Eat shit alone

Received my oils from the promo. The purple-top Primo (no SKU I could find on outer packaging, either 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml) has a massive white, solid floater in one of the vials. As well as a couple of smaller fiber-like floaters. Some of the other vials have the smaller fiber-like floaters, too. That white stuff does not look like rubber @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals

If the floater is white, probably filter fibers.
If grey, rubber stopper falling.

Will it go through the needle? I don't think so.

Sterile? yes, no one here ever got an infection from oils.

You can get it replaced if you don't want to use it.
You can also get it filtered.

Based on 3 experiences of dealing with similar issues, I can say it's safe, I found filter floaters in my tren e vials and used it and never had pip or any issue from it because it doesn't go through the IM needle anyway.

Just checked out the promo oils, test C and primo. Some of the Test C is crashed, looks like floaters in both compounds. I haven't yet bothered to re-warm the vials to see if they go back into solution. The primo appears to be filled correctly. The Test C looks like it might be a little short.

These are observations, not complaints. For $4/vial for Test C, I'm stoked and will re-filter regardles.

All our batchs are properly dosed.
We will start filling them 11ml.
Quality stoppers and free of floaters.

Oils came in from last QSC promo. Floaters in multiple vials of ripped.

If you go back to my past from probably 8 months a year ago I posted about what I thought were floaters but what it was was there shitty cheap ass stoppers that would break off into the gear after a few pokes.

Tracy said that no one has had any problems and the particles in the oil were to big for the needle to suck up

You can go fuck yourself if you are not happy, this sounds better?

Hive mind. It’s cheap, that’s all it matters. Sorry @readalot this is a lost cause I believe. Money talks, nobody here gives a shit until they get a nice visit from uncle inspector or worse the grim reaper after that floater sneaks by and causes a nice little pulmonary embolism. God speed everyone.

Deuces retards.

 

[UncleBuns]

No. But I'm certain your father was a weak man and your mother dominated him,

Witnessing that in childhood leads to the characteristic behavior you're demonstrating.

 

[Northfortuly]

Canadian customs is a bitch. One of my orders was handed to another “government agency”, aka Health Fucking Canada. Tracking has it ‘on hold’ in Vancouver, but the shipping company let me know what’s up.

The last time this happened they sent a letter telling me to piss off and that it was hgh (it wasn’t). I wasn’t given an option to appeal or anything. I don’t think I would want to other than to plead my case so I’m not flagged for life.

Anyways, pay for reshipping, especially into Canada. They’re tough.

 

[Justaguy99]

Canadian customs is a bitch. One of my orders was handed to another “government agency”, aka Health Fucking Canada. Tracking has it ‘on hold’ in Vancouver, but the shipping company let me know what’s up.

The last time this happened they sent a letter telling me to piss off and that it was hgh (it wasn’t). I wasn’t given an option to appeal or anything. I don’t think I would want to other than to plead my case so I’m not flagged for life.

Anyways, pay for reshipping, especially into Canada. They’re tough.

That's rare bud best I can tell.

 

[UncleBuns]

Beware there are a bunch of high school girls here who keep track of what posts you like/dislike and use that information to decide if they're going to let you in their clique.

Or take it personally if you give them a thumbs down.

It's kinda funny.

The thumbs down hurts my feelings and is just plain mean. I desperately NEED my online persona to be liked! Even if my post is noxiously retarded my ego can't handle the devastating micro aggression of a thumbs down. Mean mean baddies out there.....

 

[Ghoul]

Canadian customs is a bitch. One of my orders was handed to another “government agency”, aka Health Fucking Canada. Tracking has it ‘on hold’ in Vancouver, but the shipping company let me know what’s up.

The last time this happened they sent a letter telling me to piss off and that it was hgh (it wasn’t). I wasn’t given an option to appeal or anything. I don’t think I would want to other than to plead my case so I’m not flagged for life.

Anyways, pay for reshipping, especially into Canada. They’re tough.

Do you think you aren't flagged for life? Tell yourself the "extra scrutiny" at the airport the next time you come back from an international trip is just a coincidence.

It's going to be fine, since it's your first warning it'll be deleted after two years.

Your previous warning was more than two years ago right??

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[warlordishere]

I guess you never injected quality home brewed gear or you would understand what I'm talking about.

I didn't know until not really a long time ago. So it's not like I'm calling you an idiot for not knowing.

I'll make you few examples, any properly brewed gear using quality carrier oils, a good recipe and properly sterilization procedure will allow you to inject multiple ML of high concentrated gear without feeling anything. I'm talking that the next day if you don't write down where you have injected you can't tell because you feel nothing

I have ppl pin: test C 300 - Masteron E 400 - Test D 500 - Deca 400 - NPP 200 - Tren E 250

And report all the same things: smooth as butter, can't tell where I pinned it, easily absorbed, no knots nothing to report.

Now you do bloods and I know you are quite on top of monitoring your health but there are things that can't be told from bloodwork or at least it takes a long time (in my opinion) before maybe noticing a difference.
This is hypothetical of course but Id you had the money to not care about the cost why wouldn't you try to find the best quality on everything you are injecting into your body?

I assure you almost no UGL use MCT that cost 60$ a liter or organic cold pressed castor oil or any other pharmaceutical quality grade carrier oil.

Does it make a difference? Don't know but sure as hell if money is not problem I would not even think twice to ever buy anything that is not at very high standards.

Can you find me a chinese source that produce that kind of high concentration 0 pip high quality gear?

How’s the pip on test d 500? Ive brewed test e 400mg/ml,test cyp 400mg/ml test e and test c blend at 500mg/ml. I always use guaiacol and EO,pip has always been fucking vicious.

 

[Sampei]

you seem to hold this assumption that probably the largest manufacturer of ugl roids in one of the biggest economies in the world doesn't have access to high quality carrier oils.

Did I say they don't have access to it? You retarded kiddo?