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QSC - Primo 200 - Quantitative and Endotoxin test results
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BigNoOne
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Thanks for testing and sharing the results.
I’m relieved there’s no endotoxins.
I’m relieved there’s no endotoxins.
MyNameIsJeff
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This was a vial from the October oils promo. It had a large white floater in it (see picture below), as well as some smaller fibrous floaters.
As you can see from the results, the concentration of the active pharmaceutical ingredient is spot on, and in line with previous tests. More importantly, the endotoxin test did not detect any contamination. This implies with high likelihood that the vial contents are completely sterile, and that the manufacturing environment is well controlled.
Since even this 'worst case' type vial with visible floaters does not reveal any sterility or endotoxin issues, I personally conclude that all QSC oils are safe to inject after they have been re-filtered to remove both visible and invisible particulates (floaters). Hopefully, in the coming months QSC will further optimize their manufacturing process to remove the occurrence of floaters completely. Even then, I will continue to re-filter all my gear, independent of the specific source.
As you can see from the results, the concentration of the active pharmaceutical ingredient is spot on, and in line with previous tests. More importantly, the endotoxin test did not detect any contamination. This implies with high likelihood that the vial contents are completely sterile, and that the manufacturing environment is well controlled.
Since even this 'worst case' type vial with visible floaters does not reveal any sterility or endotoxin issues, I personally conclude that all QSC oils are safe to inject after they have been re-filtered to remove both visible and invisible particulates (floaters). Hopefully, in the coming months QSC will further optimize their manufacturing process to remove the occurrence of floaters completely. Even then, I will continue to re-filter all my gear, independent of the specific source.
iris
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Excellent you selected something with floaters inside, as this has been a concern for many people.
It's good to know it tested so well, even considering what it contained.
I think this is the first time this kind of test has been done on a qsc finished product and members will be very interested in what you have done.
Brilliant and thank you for testing and sharing the results.
It's good to know it tested so well, even considering what it contained.
I think this is the first time this kind of test has been done on a qsc finished product and members will be very interested in what you have done.
Brilliant and thank you for testing and sharing the results.
BigNoOne
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How does testing for endotoxins indicate that the vial is completely sterile?
BigNoOne
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@readalot
Is this what you envisioned with your surveillance or enhanced testing?
Bargain Bathtub brewed gear (now get 50% more floaters for free) is g2g! Some filtering required. This is harm reduction?
Previously, gear with floaters indicated a source that DID NOT CARE. They would be given a chance to correct it and if it continued to be an issue, they got run off the board.
This is not what you want when you order injectables. Terrible source. They should sell it in media jars as “semi-finished” gear. That way there is no confusion that it MUST BE FILTERED because there’s a bunch of shit floating around in it.
Is this what you envisioned with your surveillance or enhanced testing?
Bargain Bathtub brewed gear (now get 50% more floaters for free) is g2g! Some filtering required. This is harm reduction?
Previously, gear with floaters indicated a source that DID NOT CARE. They would be given a chance to correct it and if it continued to be an issue, they got run off the board.
This is not what you want when you order injectables. Terrible source. They should sell it in media jars as “semi-finished” gear. That way there is no confusion that it MUST BE FILTERED because there’s a bunch of shit floating around in it.
iris
Well-known Member
Terrible source you call it, the most active on Meso, with numerous customers that will buy regardless of how much stuff they find floating in their oils.
This had been an issue for a long time, and the purchasing continues unabated.
The source does not really care.
It was something they were going to fix, which obviously has not happened.
Was it better to not look into it?
Would you have been happier if it was found that Qsc + floaters was underdosed and full of endotoxins?
A customer took it upon himself to get this done.
I don't think he bothered you with his posts about it, like Readalot does, or did he?
Why are you not on the Qsc thread asking for the source to be run off the board?
You are full of shit, that's why.
At least, there have been people on that thread telling everyone to filter this crap.
What have you been doing, aside from taking the piss on Readalot's thread?
You did say you only joined for that.
This is ALL you have been doing on Meso.
Every day.
Yet, here you are on your high horse, today, for a change.
Waste of oxygen.
MyNameIsJeff
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You are correct to point out that limitation. The standard endotoxin assays detect only Gram-negative bacterial endotoxins. There may in principle be contamination with Gram-positive bacteria, which produce exotoxins or endospores that won't be picked up by the test. Or fungi that produce fungal spores.
However, my argument is the following: If the production facilities and hygiene protocols are able to prevent even the tiniest number of gram-negative bacteria from entering the product, then it seems likely that also other microbiological contamination will be prevented.
Ideally, this would be confirmed in further testing for exotoxins and spores. But I have no idea whether this is technically feasible for Janoshik at the moment, or whether there are other service providers who could offer such tests.
MyNameIsJeff
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eat a dick, sucker
iris
Well-known Member
In this instance, Tracy, you are spot on.
This guy is a limp penis, all talk no action.
He needs a bit of your tren
BigNoOne
Member
Yours? Come here. I can’t find it. I’m squinty eyed like chinaman and I still no see little teeny tiny yellow penis.
narta
Member
IF I was buying tracy's finished oils, I would go the 1 liter way and filter it into presterilized 30-50ml vials and spike em.
iris
Well-known Member
A lot of people that buy the vials have been getting into filtering, lots of members asking about it and where to get what is needed for it.
That's why a thread with all the info together is a must.
I would have started it, already, but this is all thanks to Ghoul, so it's only fair it should be his thread.
Sampei, too, has been finding lots of products for everyone in Europe.
Ghoul
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The great value in endotoxin testing is it provides a picture of the overall lab process....you can remove bacteria, but not endotoxin. Every bit of "sloppiness", from leaving a container of raws open, allowing outside air to enter the brewing area, not cleaning vessels, etc, all increases endotoxin levels.
A pharma factory produced vial and one brewed in a dirty toilet, after filtering, will appear "sterile" in testing, but the later will be very high in endotoxin.
Seeing these very low levels does leave me with a few questions though. These are not simple tests like AAS quantification.
iris
Well-known Member
You should have tagged the BigNoOne guy who is objecting to this test having any relevance.
The outrage at testing a Qsc product with floaters.
I mean, it's here, might as well, right?
No.
Idk what he is complaining about.
He should be happy that, despite the floaters he has been proven right.
Zero endotoxins. What are you going about, Ghoul?
Nada.
Let's see him get Tracy off the board.
It's worth keeping my account active just for that.
Thank you, though.
BigNoOne
Member
You should tag me then.
There’s no outrage. That’s your perception because I dared to say something negative about your employer.
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