Questions: cycle, bloodwork, info for us all

[Volley_Fire]

I'm planning on ordering and starting a cycle sometime soon, and will be getting bloodwork to ensure gear potency and UGL credibility.

I want my cycle and subsequent bloodwork to be conducted in a manner that provides valid information for all of us, particularly to help us all find decent gear that isn't underdosed or outright bunk.

I plan on using Test as the base of my cycle. Now let's say I add something else like mast or dbol; will these additional substances obfuscate the Test levels/values in my bloodwork, or should Test levels always simply rise proportionally (roughly) with the Test intake?

For example, I know that Tren can cause E to appear artificially high depending on the specific panel/lab ordered. Might dbol or masteron mess with T values?

 

[Kinikuman]

I'm not as well versed in reading blood work as others here but I think the Masteron will have an effect on your total numbers. I'm not sure about the Dbol. Either way, the less you have to account for other factors, the more accurate your test results will be.

If this is your first cycle, why not run Test only to see how your body will respond? With that knowledge in hand you can begin to play with other compounds and fine tune your cycles. I think a lot of the veterans here will recommend this approach to start with.

 

[Docd187123]

Only test should show up on a panel for test. No other compound should register BUT you never know if your other compounds are what they say they are. They could be cut with test or they could be completely test...either knowingly or unknowingly.

 

[Volley_Fire]

If this is your first cycle, why not run Test only to see how your body will respond? With that knowledge in hand you can begin to play with other compounds and fine tune your cycles. I think a lot of the veterans here will recommend this approach to start with.

It is my first cycle. I plan on experimenting with the 2-week (and 4 week) cycles as espoused by Bill Roberts for starters. For this reason, I want to hit things hard and fast to really test the concept, thus compounds with some synergism are in order. But, I do suppose that a single cycle of Test to start with for testing sake wouldn't hurt anything, and would lend itself toward my long term goals (among these, helping the community with tests, finding a reliable source).

Only test should show up on a panel for test. No other compound should register BUT you never know if your other compounds are what they say they are. They could be cut with test or they could be completely test...either knowingly or unknowingly.

Yea, that crossed my mind.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Volley,

The cycle your proposing should not be ran as a first cycle for several reasons. One of them being that a 8,10,12 week long cycles are long enough to ease you into the idea of pinning, pinning on time, learning how your body reacts to specific compounds, learning how to combat the various sides associated with specific compounds, adjusting your diet to determine what works for you and you body...ect..ect..ect.

Running a somewhat rushed 2 on 4 off cycle as Roberts has laid out is really not in the best interest of someone starting out with AAS. Your first cycle is typically where the most gains will be made. My advice is for you to stretch your legs and develop a cycle that will allow you to reach you maximum gains and learn about your body during a relaxed and gradual cycle.

Thats my .02

 

[Volley_Fire]

Volley,

The cycle your proposing should not be ran as a first cycle for several reasons. One of them being that a 8,10,12 week long cycles are long enough to ease you into the idea of pinning, pinning on time, learning how your body reacts to specific compounds, learning how to combat the various sides associated with specific compounds, adjusting your diet to determine what works for you and you body...ect..ect..ect.

Running a somewhat rushed 2 on 4 off cycle as Roberts has laid out is really not in the best interest of someone starting out with AAS. Your first cycle is typically where the most gains will be made. My advice is for you to stretch your legs and develop a cycle that will allow you to reach you maximum gains and learn about your body during a relaxed and gradual cycle.

Thats my .02

Thanks for the reply, Northern.

I do agree with essentially everything you've said. But I guess I'm dealing with a bit of cognitive dissonance.

There are several reasons why the 2-week cycle (and maybe 4-week, if the opportunity presents itself) continues to appeal to me:

1. I travel a lot, and I rarely have a 6+ week window for me to run a cycle. The primary reason being that bringing AAS with me while traveling is out of the question.
2. I don't want to raise red flags by those I work with (etc.) by suddenly putting on 20+ pounds. I work around scientists and medical professionals (many of whom are sharp, fit people), and it wouldn't bode well for me to arouse their suspicion.
3. One of the primary benefits of the 2-week cycle is that you can (supposedly) avoid most AAS side effects.
4. While I have no experience eating while on a cycle, I have my diet fairly dialed in, and have a good diet plan for intra and post cycle.
5. It is often said that your first cycle is where you'll make your best gains. But can't my first (hypothetical) 8-week cycle simply be broken into four, 2-week cycles as long as appropriate short acting steroids are selected? It seems, if done properly, I could still hold on to at least as much muscle at the end of the year utilizing the 2-week cycle.

So while I do agree you, I hope you can see why I simultaneously have these other ideas. I'm not dead set on it, but am definitely still leaning toward the 2-weeker. Thoughts?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

The 2 on 4 off cycle is really not that popular with me simply because most men who consider this cycle are looking for a short cut for one reason or another. And they are NO short cuts to AAS, none. And i also believe that that unless you have a few cycles under your belt and have developed an understanding of the various side effects that often complicate and interfere with a successful cycle, running this type of somewhat advanced cycle simply because your career wont permit it is fool hardy and a waste of your time. Its sounds to me like youre bent on running a cycle regardless of whether or not youre properly prepared.

Having said that, any cycle will produce something. But my advice is to postpone this idea until you can execute a cycle properly.

What are you goals for this cycle? What do you expect to achieve? What are your stats? And who are you cheering for in the Superbowl? (you dont have to answer the last question..lol)

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm planning on ordering and starting a cycle sometime soon, and will be getting bloodwork to ensure gear potency and UGL credibility.

I want my cycle and subsequent bloodwork to be conducted in a manner that provides valid information for all of us, particularly to help us all find decent gear that isn't underdosed or outright bunk.

I plan on using Test as the base of my cycle. Now let's say I add something else like mast or dbol; will these additional substances obfuscate the Test levels/values in my bloodwork, or should Test levels always simply rise proportionally (roughly) with the Test intake?

For example, I know that Tren can cause E to appear artificially high depending on the specific panel/lab ordered. Might dbol or masteron mess with T values?

The simple answer is none of the other AAS will interact with each other PROVIDING the lab uses an LC/MS rather than ELISA assay.

Not sure what a particular lab is using?

Ask the lab before ordering!!! If they "don't know" as for the supervisor!

 

[Volley_Fire]

The 2 on 4 off cycle is really not that popular with me simply because most men who consider this cycle are looking for a short cut for one reason or another. And they are NO short cuts to AAS, none. And i also believe that that unless you have a few cycles under your belt and have developed an understanding of the various side effects that often complicate and interfere with a successful cycle, running this type of somewhat advanced cycle simply because your career wont permit it is fool hardy and a waste of your time. Its sounds to me like youre bent on running a cycle regardless of whether or not youre properly prepared.

Having said that, any cycle will produce something. But my advice is to postpone this idea until you can execute a cycle properly.

What are you goals for this cycle? What do you expect to achieve? What are your stats? And who are you cheering for in the Superbowl? (you dont have to answer the last question..lol)

Northern,

I am more so looking to circumvent side effects (including seriously shutting down HPTA) rather than looking for a shortcut. I feel I have a good grasp of all PCT concepts, but shutting down and rebooting the HPTA for months doesn't quite sit right with me. But I will contemplate your words - I certainly want to avoid foolhardiness and time wasting. And while I do intend on running a cycle, I am in no particular rush, and plan on making all sensible preparations.

My goals for the cycle (assuming a 2-weeker) are to build and keep a minimum of 5 pounds of muscle, and of course the resultant strength increase. Anything beyond that would be icing on the cake.

Stats:
5'11"
180-182lbs
16-18% BF

I don't really care who wins the Superbowl, I just hope it's a good a game.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

If thats your goal, why on earth are you looking towards AAS then? Seriously, you can easily achieve your goals naturally..without ever compromising your HPTA.

 

[Volley_Fire]

The simple answer is none of the other AAS will interact with each other PROVIDING the lab uses an LC/MS rather than ELISA assay.

Not sure what a particular lab is using?

Ask the lab before ordering!!! If they "don't know" as for the supervisor!

Thanks for the info. I was going to use either PrivateMDLabs or LabMD. LabMD's website says they use UPLC-MS/MS, and at least some of PrivateMDLab's tests indicate they use LC/MS.

 

[Volley_Fire]

If thats your goal, why on earth are you looking towards AAS then? Seriously, you can easily achieve your goals naturally..without ever compromising your HPTA.

Primarily to accelerate growth. There's no way I can naturally gain 5 pounds of muscle in 2-weeks. A 5-pound total muscle gain is not my end goal, just a two week goal.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Ah ha! And the truth shall set you free, my impatient dastardly friend from the world of instant gratification. Youre just going to have to suck it up man. Otherwise, hop on the 2on 2off bandwagon and hope for the best. Next time, be honest with yourself...and us.

 

[Volley_Fire]

Ah ha! And the truth shall set you free, my impatient dastardly friend from the world of instant gratification. Youre just going to have to suck it up man. Otherwise, hop on the 2on 2off bandwagon and hope for the best. Next time, be honest with yourself...and us.

How was I dishonest? I never implied that I was already at my natural max. I doubt my intentions are any different than the vast majority of AAS users.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Not dishonest, really..lol. Just impatient.

 

[Docd187123]

Primarily to accelerate growth. There's no way I can naturally gain 5 pounds of muscle in 2-weeks. A 5-pound total muscle gain is not my end goal, just a two week goal.

you won't be able to gain 5lbs of muscle on 2wks in AAS either....

 

[Volley_Fire]

Not dishonest, really..lol. Just impatient.

Well, I can't say you're entirely wrong.. Nevertheless, thanks for the suggestions and food for thought.

 

[Volley_Fire]

you won't be able to gain 5lbs of muscle on 2wks in AAS either....

So something like THIS is infeasible?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

So something like THIS is infeasible?

What did you interpret from that article in terms of gains? I think that's a more important question to ask.

 

[Docd187123]

So something like THIS is infeasible?

5lbs of a combination of increased water retention, increased glycogen stores, increased body fat, and increased muscle tissue....sure it's feasible in 2wks.

5lbs of only muscle tissue....not a snowball's chance in hell

Edit* I'll put it this way, you have a better shot of getting your favorite porn star to suck your balls out through your asshole than what you're expecting.