Quick question for you smart fkers.

[juicedUp1111]

I am half way through a 10 wk cycle of dbol and 750mg test per week. Already droped the dbol. My nuts are non-existent. Wondering if I should through some HCG in now or just wait until the end. I would like to have nutts but if this will not effect my recovery later I guess I can deal with none for now.

Please advise.

JU

 

[Musclez]

I am half way through a 10 wk cycle of dbol and 750mg test per week. Already droped the dbol. My nuts are non-existent. Wondering if I should through some HCG in now or just wait until the end. I would like to have nutts but if this will not effect my recovery later I guess I can deal with none for now.

Please advise.

JU

I would definately save some for the end, but if you have enough, i would also do some now, maybe 500-1000iu ED for about 10 days.

 

[PDP]

I'd get some now and run it till the end.

 

[moralanimal]

I am half way through a 10 wk cycle of dbol and 750mg test per week. Already droped the dbol. My nuts are non-existent. Wondering if I should through some HCG in now or just wait until the end. I would like to have nutts but if this will not effect my recovery later I guess I can deal with none for now.
Please advise.
JU

IMO the best way to go is run HCG at 250 iu 2x per week every other week for the entire cycle.

 

[AlphaDog]

I think it's best to have your nuts back to normal BEFORE you start PCT. This makes recovery faster and easier.

I don't know if it's possible to have your nuts back to normal before pct. I think the idea behind hcg during a cycle is to stimulate the testes to produce test, therefore minimizing (not preventing) atrophy. So I don't think they would be back to normal until the end of pct, IMHO.

 

[spound]

If you have enough, then I would run 500 iu tweice per week up until 10 days before you start PCT. I would do 500 iu ED for those 10 days leading up to PCT. If you don't have enough for that, then just do 500-1000iu ED for 10 days before PCT.

 

[Musclez]

I honestly don't know how much HCG prevents atrophy, so I can't say. I guess "normal" was a bad word to use.

I would say that HCG can prevent or reverse atrophy, you have to look at what it is. It's an analogue of lutenizing hormone. LH is the hormone which is detected by the testes basically signalling the leydig cells to produce sperm or test or whatever. The reason the nuts shrink is because they aren't getting the LH signal from the hypo or pituitary or whereever it comes from. I would guess you can have as much AAS in you and as long as the nuts are getting the LH or HCG signal, they wouldn't atrophy, but i could be wrong.

Musclez

 

[Biggriz]

I would say that HCG can prevent or reverse atrophy, you have to look at what it is. It's an analogue of lutenizing hormone. LH is the hormone which is detected by the testes basically signalling the leydig cells to produce sperm or test or whatever. The reason the nuts shrink is because they aren't getting the LH signal from the hypo or pituitary or whereever it comes from. I would guess you can have as much AAS in you and as long as the nuts are getting the LH or HCG signal, they wouldn't atrophy, but i could be wrong.

Musclez

Your absolutly right bro. Keep the boys going DURING your cycle and recovery and holding your gains will be a breeze. 250 - 500 IU twice per week should do just that, but if not...don't up the dosage, just use for more than two days per week.

 

[einstein1905]

It doesn't take much at all to regain size with HCG.....most overuse it. There's no good reason to maintain size during a cycle other than aesthetics. The final 2-3 weeks of a cycle (or the 2-3 week lag after your last shot of long-estered gear) is plenty of time to regain size at 500IU E4D.

 

[graybass]

Listen to Einstein.
I've had great results running HCG at the end (last week of cycle and one week beyond) than Clomid 2 weeks after last shot.
This is also using Nolva to control estrogen and water bloat!
I agree HCG earlier is just for asthetics, and serves no purpose.

just my .02 graybass

 

[Biggriz]

It doesn't take much at all to regain size with HCG.....most overuse it. There's no good reason to maintain size during a cycle other than aesthetics. The final 2-3 weeks of a cycle (or the 2-3 week lag after your last shot of long-estered gear) is plenty of time to regain size at 500IU E4D.

Hey bro, really appreciate your wisdom, but this time I think I'll go with Swale and VDC's recommendations...simply makes more sense

 

[einstein1905]

Hey bro, really appreciate your wisdom, but this time I think I'll go with Swale and VDC's recommendations...simply makes more sense

I assume that is to use HCG throughout? Continual exposure to an LH agonist can promote LH insensitivity. I see absolutely no benefit (only detriments) to running HCG throughout. IMO, using HCG early in the cycle is like starting up your car every morning of the week when you only are going somewhere on Friday

 

[graybass]

Nice analogy!
I gotta tell you my recovery last time was so good, I would'nt change nothing.
A month after PCT, I felt like my natural Test levels were higher than before my last couple of cycles even started.
Balls were huge, erections were monsterous, horny as hell.
Just imagine me on a gram of Test a week!

JMHE (just my humble experience)

 

[Biggriz]

Thanks for the imput bro's, and yes, I like the analogy too. So much so, I'm going to try your hcg method next cycle. Gotta tell ya, your PCT protocal has done wonders for me. Thanks Einstein.
So, would you do 500IU E4D after last inject up until clomid, or would it depend on the ester being used(prop vs. sust)??? What do you think about doing 10 days straight, 500IU per day before clomid???

 

[einstein1905]

Thanks for the imput bro's, and yes, I like the analogy too. So much so, I'm going to try your hcg method next cycle. Gotta tell ya, your PCT protocal has done wonders for me. Thanks Einstein.
So, would you do 500IU E4D after last inject up until clomid, or would it depend on the ester being used(prop vs. sust)??? What do you think about doing 10 days straight, 500IU per day before clomid???

For me, with a 20+ week cycle, I'll do 500IU E4D for 4-5 weeks so that the last inject of HCG will fall 48hrs before clomid starts. This is independent of whether or not I'm still taking in exo AAS. This cycle, I'll be ending with prop to fill the ester lag of the other compounds used, but in the past, I'd start HCG the last 2 weeks of test E and then the two weeks lag up until pct starts.

ED is overkill for HCG. At 500IU, I'd say the active life is 2-3 days, so EoD at most. really though, it doesn't take much at all to regain size to set the stage for optimal recovery. A continual, prolonged supraphysiological exposure to LH or an LH agonist can very likely be counterproductive, so less is more in this case

 

[Biggriz]

For me, with a 20+ week cycle, I'll do 500IU E4D for 4-5 weeks so that the last inject of HCG will fall 48hrs before clomid starts. This is independent of whether or not I'm still taking in exo AAS. This cycle, I'll be ending with prop to fill the ester lag of the other compounds used, but in the past, I'd start HCG the last 2 weeks of test E and then the two weeks lag up until pct starts.

ED is overkill for HCG. At 500IU, I'd say the active life is 2-3 days, so EoD at most. really though, it doesn't take much at all to regain size to set the stage for optimal recovery. A continual, prolonged supraphysiological exposure to LH or an LH agonist can very likely be counterproductive, so less is more in this case

Thank you very much bro. Really appreciate your reply!