Raw Material Situation

[Testotadeus]

Hello ironfriends,

Do you think the raw material situation will improve again in the coming months?
My buddy would like to get two or three hundred grams and be set for a lifetime of TRT.
He's tired of the constant stress of procuring it.
You never know what the future holds, so it would be nice to at least not have to worry about the testosterone you need for yourself anymore.
The price doesn't matter, as long as it's clean raw material.

At some point, the time must come when someone fills the gap... especially in an area where demand is so high...

Is anyone well informed and knows what to expect next year?
At some point, it must be possible to buy raw materials again if you are willing to pay the price.
It is clear that steroid prices will never be as cheap as they were before the crisis.

 

[Ghoul]

Hello ironfriends,

Do you think the raw material situation will improve again in the coming months?
My buddy would like to get two or three hundred grams and be set for a lifetime of TRT.
He's tired of the constant stress of procuring it.
You never know what the future holds, so it would be nice to at least not have to worry about the testosterone you need for yourself anymore.
The price doesn't matter, as long as it's clean raw material.

At some point, the time must come when someone fills the gap... especially in an area where demand is so high...

Is anyone well informed and knows what to expect next year?
At some point, it must be possible to buy raw materials again if you are willing to pay the price.
It is clear that steroid prices will never be as cheap as they were before the crisis.

The good news is everything will be back to normal next month.

I didn’t believe it the first time it was said, but since someone posts “my inside connects told me it’s going back to normal next month for sure”, every few weeks, for over a year now, it’s got to be true.

 

[juiceddawg]

that's good to hear Ghoul, thanks

 

[Ghoul]

that's good to hear Ghoul, thanks

I feel obligated to mention I was being sarcastic

No one knows. I’m confident I understand the root cause behind the crackdown, and see nothing that would reverse that situation. I don’t buy the “new production” claims, unless whoever’s making new raws thinks using their limited capacity to produce low demand niche AAS instead of the popular stuff commanding top dollar. Seems more like old leftover shit being sold off to me.

Large stocks were out there when production stopped, and they seem to leak into the market in small quantities,

All I can say is if what you want is/becomes available, you have to ask yourself which would hurt more:

-Paying a premium price now and be secure in the knowledge you’re all set for a long time. Long enough for availability to return hopefully.

-it becomes available for a lot less next week and you overpaid (but still have it at least)

-,wait for it to drop in price, and it either becomes even more expensive, lower quality, or not at all leaving you empty handed for a long time.

 

[Damaged1]

I feel like it has been getting better.

 

[Elektrobot]

Hello ironfriends,

Do you think the raw material situation will improve again in the coming months?
My buddy would like to get two or three hundred grams and be set for a lifetime of TRT.
He's tired of the constant stress of procuring it.
You never know what the future holds, so it would be nice to at least not have to worry about the testosterone you need for yourself anymore.
The price doesn't matter, as long as it's clean raw material.

At some point, the time must come when someone fills the gap... especially in an area where demand is so high...

Is anyone well informed and knows what to expect next year?
At some point, it must be possible to buy raw materials again if you are willing to pay the price.
It is clear that steroid prices will never be as cheap as they were before the crisis.

Instructions for raw updates

 

[adrenalytic]

-Paying a premium price now and be secure in the knowledge you’re all set for a long time. Long enough for availability to return hopefully.

-it becomes available for a lot less next week and you overpaid (but still have it at least)

-,wait for it to drop in price, and it either becomes even more expensive, lower quality, or not at all leaving you empty handed for a long time.

I play this game when ever I trade a stock or crypto.

 

[Sampei]

Hello ironfriends,

Do you think the raw material situation will improve again in the coming months?
My buddy would like to get two or three hundred grams and be set for a lifetime of TRT.
He's tired of the constant stress of procuring it.
You never know what the future holds, so it would be nice to at least not have to worry about the testosterone you need for yourself anymore.
The price doesn't matter, as long as it's clean raw material.

At some point, the time must come when someone fills the gap... especially in an area where demand is so high...

Is anyone well informed and knows what to expect next year?
At some point, it must be possible to buy raw materials again if you are willing to pay the price.
It is clear that steroid prices will never be as cheap as they were before the crisis.

Test C is available 98% purity, beautiful powder, smells nice and looks greater, just need to know where to look.

I don't think we will back soon to the time where raw were sold by any sources on the underground market and you couldn't get it wrong even if you wanted

 

[Dafty]

I’m confident I understand the root cause behind the crackdown, and see nothing that would reverse that situation.

Well.... Do share with the group....

 

[4Drago]

Tell your friend to join the group and do some research... its called reading. We used to do it back in the day.

 

[IndividualMan]

regarding the new production stuff.

Making large batches at acceptable qualities is a fucking pain. You need good equipment for that. Real nice equipment which only pays off if you can reliably produce in the multi-ton range for months on end.

Getting logistics and reliable supply of various chemicals needed for different syntheses getting set up for that is most likely tough, especially if chinese authorities have better surveillance on chemical producers nowadays.

Smaller batches of niche AAS are being made atm, I know of a few sources carrying odd DHT orals, 19-nor orals, etc.

Those do fetch a good price, and have a small but reliable market asking for them, no masisve amounts of chemicals needed due to batch size, which is why they are being made. But for most normal injectable AAS, you have labs wanting to order 50kg+ amounts to restock and start reliable production up again. People stocking up on multi kilo amounts as well, due to fomo, etc. Those amounts cannot be fulfilled for everyone currently.
Those fetch a worse price/gram, and arent being produced in large enough quantities for their respective markets.

Add to that additional secrecy regarding suppliers, (noone wants to proclaim that they know a producer and subsequently get picked up, or have their resale product undercut, etc.) and some labs go completely empty.

 

[vulpes]

I think its worth taking a step back on this one. The raws are out there but they are more expensive. Buying 300 grams will put you more out of pocket than it did when Ghoul started making what proved to be very accurate predictions of a shortage but in the greater scheme of things its still not a huge amount.

Yeah you might get it cheaper in 6 months but there is a risk attached to waiting. Running about sourcing a bit here and a bit there and paying lots of shipping will soon match up to the cost of just buying your 300 g of quality material and being beyond concern. Its still cheaper by far to get set for life than to not be, and peace of mind is worth a lot itself.

As you say in the end "The price doesn't matter, as long as it's clean raw material." If your friend does his research, he can still find this.

 

[HorseChoker]

Any more news or guidance from people plugged in on raws? I saw the pharmacom rep talking about the raws situation and it seems like it is getting worse not better. I see on other boards that supposedly if you know where to go the raws are still flowing, but then on here I see big players being honest and saying shit is still fucked up. The obvious source for raws on here has batches, but they are infrequent and quality is volatile. I truly wish someone would step up and fill the void, I know some speculated India might be a solution, but so far I haven’t been able to find a legit supplier or any more confirmation of a legit India source for raws beyond the generic change the words around “I know a legit source, but I won’t tell the board and you will all just have to roll the dice.” And a few members and sources who are being solid people and at least contributing to the search by outing the scammers they have run into. I’m all for homework and due diligence, but I think in these strange times some compromise on spoon feeding may need to be tolerated in regards to raws. Doesn’t mean I’m right and it doesn’t mean it will happen.

 

[adrenalytic]

Any more news or guidance from people plugged in on raws? I saw the pharmacom rep talking about the raws situation and it seems like it is getting worse not better. I see on other boards that supposedly if you know where to go the raws are still flowing, but then on here I see big players being honest and saying shit is still fucked up. The obvious source for raws on here has batches, but they are infrequent and quality is volatile. I truly wish someone would step up and fill the void, I know some speculated India might be a solution, but so far I haven’t been able to find a legit supplier or any more confirmation of a legit India source for raws beyond the generic change the words around “I know a legit source, but I won’t tell the board and you will all just have to roll the dice.” And a few members and sources who are being solid people and at least contributing to the search by outing the scammers they have run into. I’m all for homework and due diligence, but I think in these strange times some compromise on spoon feeding may need to be tolerated in regards to raws. Doesn’t mean I’m right and it doesn’t mean it will happen.

Get networking my dude. You've been here since 2018 but looks like you just lurk. Contribute to the boards, talk on the vendor threads, send some gear out for testing and share the results with the community, develop a rapport with people.

 

[HorseChoker]

Get networking my dude. You've been here since 2018 but looks like you just lurk. Contribute to the boards, talk on the vendor threads, send some gear out for testing and share the results with the community, develop a rapport with people.

I appreciate your reply and I understand your POV, position, and advice. I do my best to network/post here. However, I “lurk” because I only speak/post/contribute when I have something worth saying/posting/contributing or when I need help or have questions. Since every pre-made UGL (other than TGI) I have ever tried gave me abscesses and I found out I am allergic to EO in the same trial and error I have always made my own homebrew for personal use. This leaves little for me to contribute that is worthy of contribution. I’m hoping that I can find a decent raws option then gamble and order some raws and get them tested and contribute that way. Either they will check out and then I can help by posting the source I landed on using, what I got, and the Jano report(s). For better or worse the AAS communities have more secrecy, subterfuge, and observation than any other illicit drug community I have been around (can’t say in because I truly have never used or tried anything other than AAS in the realm of illicit substances). It’s fascinating and frustrating at the same time.

 

[DeodatoFulci]

I appreciate your reply and I understand your POV, position, and advice. I do my best to network/post here. However, I “lurk” because I only speak/post/contribute when I have something worth saying/posting/contributing or when I need help or have questions. Since every pre-made UGL (other than TGI) I have ever tried gave me abscesses and I found out I am allergic to EO in the same trial and error I have always made my own homebrew for personal use. This leaves little for me to contribute that is worthy of contribution. I’m hoping that I can find a decent raws option then gamble and order some raws and get them tested and contribute that way. Either they will check out and then I can help by posting the source I landed on using, what I got, and the Jano report(s). For better or worse the AAS communities have more secrecy, subterfuge, and observation than any other illicit drug community I have been around (can’t say in because I truly have never used or tried anything other than AAS in the realm of illicit substances). It’s fascinating and frustrating at the same time.

All it takes is some effort reading through the threads, and you will find what you’re looking for. The lurker excuse is lame. Im not interested in raws, but im pretty well versed in what vendors to choose from, and i keep learning new stuff everyday. Keep reading and be patient.

 

[adrenalytic]

I appreciate your reply and I understand your POV, position, and advice. I do my best to network/post here. However, I “lurk” because I only speak/post/contribute when I have something worth saying/posting/contributing or when I need help or have questions. Since every pre-made UGL (other than TGI) I have ever tried gave me abscesses and I found out I am allergic to EO in the same trial and error I have always made my own homebrew for personal use. This leaves little for me to contribute that is worthy of contribution. I’m hoping that I can find a decent raws option then gamble and order some raws and get them tested and contribute that way. Either they will check out and then I can help by posting the source I landed on using, what I got, and the Jano report(s). For better or worse the AAS communities have more secrecy, subterfuge, and observation than any other illicit drug community I have been around (can’t say in because I truly have never used or tried anything other than AAS in the realm of illicit substances). It’s fascinating and frustrating at the same time.

I'm just saying you need to give people a reason to share their sources with you. If I show up to a house party where nobody knows me wearing a shirt that says "Definitely not a cop" and start asking around for drugs what kind of response do you think I'll get?

If you're a homebrewer start sharing/discussing knowledge in the Homebrew forums. Lots of smart dudes hang out there.