Raws vs Finished product testing

[iris]

Interesting thread Ben.
I am surprised you started this, actually.
Only because I thought this was not something of interest to you.
Nice, though; you are bringing good questions.

I would love to know what Spaceman thinks about this.
Or any other homebrewer, really

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

please excuse my ignorance

Question for you brewers:
If you were to get untested raw materials for Test C and processed it into a finish product of 250mg/ml which you send to a testing facility and got the result of 255mg/ml Would that indicate that the raw materials were of high quality/purity or is there more to it?

Another way:
If a vendor sells only finished products but do not test their raws or will not share their raw test results but all of their products were tested and all of them were overfilled. Would that indicate that high quality/purity raw materials were being used?

Thanks for your time.

you dont know the purity unless you actually test the raws... You still won't know based off of final oil testing unless you can somehow measure everything with the most precise instruments and are experienced.

Certain product that you may blind brew. its safe to same 99% of the standard Anabolic raws are 96%+ purity. minus Deca and EQ.

People can always adjust due to low purity.


Overall its up to you, but you cant say anything is high quality without having a raw test performed


Some people who are a little more ballsy may do dose adjustments and treat the product as 95% purity, brew it, and check the final oil.

 

[Benf15harp]

Interesting thread Ben.
I am surprised you started this, actually.
Only because I thought this was not something of interest to you.
Nice, though; you are bringing good questions.

I would love to know what Spaceman thinks about this.
Or any other homebrewer, really

Not as surprised as me. Lol
Thank you kindly.

 

[iris]

Why am I pushing for Basic testing instead of "Enhanced Testing"?

It is hard to fine tune a "project" when the most "basic tasks" arent even being completed,

or more importantly...the most "Basics Tasks" aren't even cared for. Why would people even do Endotoxin, Metals, and GCMS?

Makes sense.
But GA just told us, thanks to Ben's questioning, he disagrees with "basic tasks"

 

[B Ware]

@readalot

Haven’t followed this thread so not sure if you’re accusing me of being Narta? Lmao

But yes I’ve personally talked with a source a bit about brewing Deca a while back. At the time and I believe still to this day Deca tested all over the place. I asked about him adjusting his brew based on his Deca raws testing very low (around 80%). He stated that he adjusted for it and added an extra 20% raws to the brew and left the brew in the beaker until he got results back from Jano to make sure it tested where it should. Had it not he could make adjustments to it.

I mean think about it this way. Say you or a source order a kilo of Deca. You send a sample to Jano to be tested but you are only sending 1gram out of the kilo (1000grams) to be tested. Although that one gram tested poorly maybe some of that kilo won’t and that would throw off the purity and brew. This is very unlikely as it all should come from the same batch but when something is testing poorly I could see why the source took precautions.

 

[readalot]

Haven’t followed this thread so not sure if you’re accusing me of being Narta? Lmao

Not at all. Just giving Narta an example of what is commonplace knowledge that he pretends is some mysterious magical ju-ju. I think he just wants to argue with me for the fuck of it.

 

[narta]

Hello.
Do you test the raw stuff you buy or, say, go with the vendor's test (if available).

Reading your responses here it means you agree with GA not testing theirs (because they get the oils made? Because they do not sell the raws, as the guy said? Because, in general, there is no need?).

If the final product comes out at the desired mg/ml why test raws AND final product? If you are a resseler you can't test raws (GA). If you are a Homebrewer you test raws and not the final product since it's basic math after knowing the raws purity

@readalot

Haven’t followed this thread so not sure if you’re accusing me of being Narta? Lmao

But yes I’ve personally talked with a source a bit about brewing Deca a while back. At the time and I believe still to this day Deca tested all over the place. I asked about him adjusting his brew based on his Deca raws testing very low (around 80%). He stated that he adjusted for it and added an extra 20% raws to the brew and left the brew in the beaker until he got results back from Jano to make sure it tested where it should. Had it not he could make adjustments to it.

I mean think about it this way. Say you or a source order a kilo of Deca. You send a sample to Jano to be tested but you are only sending 1gram out of the kilo (1000grams) to be tested. Although that one gram tested poorly maybe some of that kilo won’t and that would throw off the purity and brew. This is very unlikely as it all should come from the same batch but when something is testing poorly I could see why the source took precautions.

Why not only test raws and adjust for purity?

 

[iris]

If the final product comes out at the desired mg/ml why test raws AND final product? If you are a resseler you can't test raws (GA). If you are a Homebrewer you test raws and not the final product since it's basic math after knowing the raws purity

Thank you

 

[B Ware]

If the final product comes out at the desired mg/ml why test raws AND final product? If you are a resseler you can't test raws (GA). If you are a Homebrewer you test raws and not the final product since it's basic math after knowing the raws purity


Why not only test raws and adjust for purity?

As I stated, it was a vendor doing this. He test raws and then test his finished product. As an extra step he pulls a sample from his brew to test his finished product and leaves it alone. Once he receives the results from Jano if everything looks as it should he filters and puts it in vials. If for some reason it didn’t test where it should have then he could make adjustments and retest.

Honestly I was happy to hear that he was taking an extra step to ensure what he was putting out was a great product and if it required an additional hplc test he would do so.

 

[readalot]

Why not only test raws and adjust for purity?

Most basic of QC. Raws testing gets you purity of feedstock and finished product testing confirms batch quality.

Honestly I was happy to hear that he was taking an extra step to ensure what he was putting out was a great product and if it required an additional hplc test he would do so.

Amen. Give him a MESO medal for giving the most basic of Fs.

 

[iris]

Most basic of QC. Raws testing gets you purity of feedstock and finished product testing confirms batch quality.
Amen.

So when GA says he makes his oils, he means he has employed a manufacturer.
Then he resells the stuff.
But even if he doesn't have his own lab, he tells whoever makes it what he wants and expects from them, right?

 

[readalot]

So when GA says he makes his oils, he means he has employed a manufacturer.
Then he resells the stuff.
But even if he doesn't have his own lab, he tells whoever makes it what he wants and expects from them, right?

I was referring to case where brewer (home/vendor) takes possession of raw AAS and makes a finished product (oil/tablet/etc.). Basic QC.

I have no idea what GA is or does and his attitude tells me what I need to know. If/when my $$ go UG they will go to vendor who takes the work seriously.

For good examples of the fundamentals see Dirthand or Sampei. They get it and run circles around most vendors here.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

For good examples of the fundamentals see Dirthand or Sampei. They get it and run circles around most vendors here

ROFL.

Ask them if they test every single beaker that they make.

@Dirthand @Sampei

 

[Sampei]

ROFL.

Ask them if they test every single beaker that they make.

@Dirthand @Sampei

I Wish I had the money to throw at it. I did test all my RAWS and all my first brews to see if I was doing it correctly.

Next time when I'm gonna brew 150/200ml for each substance I'll probably re test all of them but I'm not a source tho.

Sources have the mean and should test everything all the time. It's peanuts for them.

 

[iris]

ROFL.

Ask them if they test every single beaker that they make.

@Dirthand @Sampei

I think he meant it as in what they expect those sources to be doing, what questions they ask about their procedures and proof thereof, etc..

 

[readalot]

ROFL.

Ask them if they test every single beaker that they make.

Try not to hurt yourself as you hit the deck. No need to address me. I will do the same. You aren't up for thoughtful discussion.

 

[Sampei]

What's the other 50%? Anything below 90% is unacceptable

Gotta throw away my deca raw of 89.6% damn! XD

 

[readalot]

I Wish I had the money to throw at it. I did test all my RAWS and all my first brews to see if I was doing it correctly.

Next time when I'm gonna brew 150/200ml for each substance I'll probably re test all of them but I'm not a source tho.

Sources have the mean and should test everything all the time. It's peanuts for them.

I chose right working with you and Dirthand. You are stand up Dudes and I appreciate you both.

 

[Dirthand]

ROFL.

Ask them if they test every single beaker that they make.

@Dirthand @Sampei

This is the first time in my life i have EVER been accused of being a good example.. I'm gonna show this to my mom!!!
After a few test that confirmed I was doing ok.. I haven't in a while!

 

[readalot]

This is the first time in my life i have EVER been accused of being a good example.. I'm gonna show this to my mom!!!
After a few test that confirmed I was doing ok.. I haven't in a while!

Show it proudly.