Readalots Enhanced Testing

[BigNoOne]

i stay far away from that website. people can't DM eachother and half of the sources exit scam and come back later, all sorts of shady shit. it is not a transparent website. blatantly reselling QSC gear to a bubble of guys that only know that forum

I’m assuming you’re referring to the rumors that K4L is selling QSC?

That’s not correct, at least the HGH is the same that Lobster is selling. I’m not sure about the AAS but it seems like a brewer that they brought on after getting their start with HGH.

It’s not the exit-scams that are concerning as much as it’s the number of vendors that have been busted. Exit-scams can occur anywhere.

I view the no DM system as a good thing. Do you know how many shady things occur on DMs? That’s how guys offer their shill services. That’s how guys group up to attack. There’s DMs about rec drugs.

As you can see, a good number of guys on SST do actually venture out of the “bubble”.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I’m assuming you’re referring to the rumors that K4L is selling QSC?

That’s not correct, at least the HGH is the same that Lobster is selling. I’m not sure about the AAS but it seems like a brewer that they brought on after getting their start with HGH.

It’s not the exit-scams that are concerning as much as it’s the number of vendors that have been busted. Exit-scams can occur anywhere.

I view the no DM system as a good thing. Do you know how many shady things occur on DMs? That’s how guys offer their shill services. That’s how guys group up to attack. There’s DMs about rec drugs.

As you can see, a good number of guys on SST do actually venture out of the “bubble”.

My account age there is 2018.
I don't visit that forum anymore, but I was referring to a vendor there selling an oil advertised at the exact milligrams QSC had. a specific and unusual number, and because it was overdosed, the actual milligrams were listed to encourage more sales, the vendor even had a "discount sale" for this product.

And this happened to be the same time QSC had a sale for this product, including group buy.

reselling gear from china they got for $10 a vial for $80+

I checked and the tracks are already covered.

(also their vendors are curated, you cant just post there)

 

[brutaltarik]

I’m assuming you’re referring to the rumors that K4L is selling QSC?

That’s not correct, at least the HGH is the same that Lobster is selling. I’m not sure about the AAS but it seems like a brewer that they brought on after getting their start with HGH.

It’s not the exit-scams that are concerning as much as it’s the number of vendors that have been busted. Exit-scams can occur anywhere.

I view the no DM system as a good thing. Do you know how many shady things occur on DMs? That’s how guys offer their shill services. That’s how guys group up to attack. There’s DMs about rec drugs.

As you can see, a good number of guys on SST do actually venture out of the “bubble”.

i think that's just the nature of having way more US domestic sources. Meso doesn't really have that many in comparison, and there's a lot of overlap. Meso used to have more so you had more busts like Astro.. TGI... Heck, Axle has been busted once under a different name too

 

[FastBun]

My account age there is 2018.
I don't visit that forum anymore, but I was referring to a vendor there selling an oil advertised at the exact milligrams QSC had. a specific and unusual number, and because it was overdosed, the actual milligrams were listed to encourage more sales, the vendor even had a "discount sale" for this product.

And this happened to be the same time QSC had a sale for this product, including group buy.

reselling gear from china they got for $10 a vial for $80+

I checked and the tracks are already covered.

(also their vendors are curated, you cant just post there)

you reffering to K4L? It does look like they buy their oils from China and tabs and just re sell

 

[Liter O' Test]

you reffering to K4L? It does look like they buy their oils from China and tabs and just re sell

I'm not referring to them.

 

[DugPrime]

But I could be wrong I'm not really an expert at all on these matters

Ofc you're not.

 

[readalot]

Got a nice threat today. Very creative. I seem to have gotten someone's attention now. Won't lie. Didn't feel great reading it.

Anyway....

Project 1 (BU raw) full reports and raw data below. Thank you again for all your efforts to get this sample tested @Dirthand.

1. HPLC

Janoshik Analytical

2. GCMS

Janoshik Analytical

3. Metals by EDX

Janoshik Analytical

4. Endotoxins

Janoshik Analytical

The xxxx rows are peptide samples previously tested and presented for comparison (thanks @janoshik!).

5a. KF titration

Janoshik Analytical

5b. Loss on drying (LOD)

Janoshik Analytical

KF and LOD are symbolic tests. The fatty acid methyl ester came off during the LOD test so impossible to get at residual solvents using KF plus LOD. Very nice LOD setup Jano!

 

[Wurx]

Project 3. Forthcoming.

75 g batch of Tren Ace. Visible magnetic particles captured during raw AAS dissolution prior to filtering. I really respect this vendor for stepping up and doing the right thing. Surely other large batch vendors (>500 g batch) have seen similar but just haven't spoken out.

At least the stirrer bar doing an admirable job. But probably no metals in this batch of raws, wink, wink. Don't know what I was thinking .

Metals in raws? Absolutely does happen sometimes.
Heavy metals? I'm sure not. And never made that claim.

Caution for those using raws in oral suspensions, capsules, etc.

View attachment 301221View attachment 301222

Metal in raws is very common. There is not much and if you are ordering small quantities you may not see any but if you obtain larger quantities you’ll definitely see some. It attaches itself to the magnet stir bar and what is not collected by the bar will be collected in the filter.

If you look past the magnetic stir bar in the picture you shared and look in the bottom of the beaker you’ll see a couple of black specks. That is metal. Ask me how I know? (See picture below)

You make a good point about those metals ending up in orals.

Good job on trying to push the bar on testing. Even if it all falls short and shows that most, if not all of it was unnecessary at least everyone will have knowledge and peace of mind.

 

[readalot]

Metal in raws is very common. There is not much and if you are ordering small quantities you may not see any but if you obtain larger quantities you’ll definitely see some. It attaches itself to the magnet stir bar and what is not collected by the bar will be collected in the filter.

If you look past the magnetic stir bar in the picture you shared and look in the bottom of the beaker you’ll see a couple of black specks. That is metal. Ask me how I know? (See picture below)

You make a good point about those metals ending up in orals.

Good job on trying to push the bar on testing. Even if it all falls short and shows that most, if not all of it was unnecessary at least everyone will have knowledge and peace of mind.

View attachment 301640

Thank you sincerely for coming forward and confirming this. I hope this gives folks some food for thought on orals / oral suspensions. I'll report back when we have ID of the metal recovered on the stirrer bar (Project 3).

 

[Vanargandar]

4. Endotoxins

Janoshik Analytical

Can you explain this to me like the knuckle dragger I am?

 

[readalot]

Can you explain this to me like the knuckle dragger I am?

There are endoxins in this raw. >10 fold higher concentration than peptide samples. I am waiting on making any other conclusions until I get the data on the finished oil vial and the GH sample (Project 2).

Unclear if I can directly compare results with pharma specs given the lack of positive and negative controls on this assay that Jano sends out to another lab (as i understand it).

I am hopeful we can iterate on a procedure to calibrate with pharma assay. Typical spec I've seen on pharma finished oil is < 1 EU/ml.

 

[Excel.exe]

Got a nice threat today.

Did you put it to use? Or should I discontinue 200mg deca pw?

 

[biggerben69]

i think that's just the nature of having way more US domestic sources. Meso doesn't really have that many in comparison, and there's a lot of overlap. Meso used to have more so you had more busts like Astro.. TGI... Heck, Axle has been busted once under a different name too

Not sure how many remember Astro? I guess you've been around longer than your registration date indicates? Wasn't Astro out of Pennsylvania? I danced with TGI as well.

I don't know how accurate this is but I was told that Axle was one of TGI's hired guns who appeared for the first time in TGI's thread and then disappeared shortly after his departure. There were a # of members who were only seen in TGI's thread and then were gone? I said that would happen.

Some of them said they came from other boards....I tried my best to find them but couldn't.

 

[B Ware]

Wait, Astro was busted? I thought he exit scammed and later a vendor that he resold for (bio something) came here looking for him and his money.

I remember Astro well as he was my first vendor to use here. I loved that he was Karl’s ex brewer and kinda screwed him over if my memory serves me well

@biggerben69 @brutaltarik

 

[readalot]

Typical spec I've seen on pharma finished oil is < 1 EU/ml.

And the overachieving compounding pharmacy spec of however much we feel like (NMT 5 EU/ml).

 

[readalot]

Independent confirmation of the additional customer cost per vial for the "premium" line that has undergone enhanced testing of each batch:

https://steroidsourcetalk.cc/index.php?threads/source-matrix-buy-3-get-1-10-off-orders-over-350-mct-gso.18741/post-180921

There has been a lot of speculation and sensationalism thrown out by some. The math is pretty simple.

 

[Sampei]

Independent confirmation of the additional customer cost per vial for the "premium" line that has undergone emhanced testing of each batch:

https://steroidsourcetalk.cc/index.php?threads/source-matrix-buy-3-get-1-10-off-orders-over-350-mct-gso.18741/post-180921

There has been a lot of speculation and sensationalism thrown out by some. The math is pretty simple.

30$ a vial is already a lot unless it's domestic.

 

[readalot]

30$ a vial is already a lot unless it's domestic.

The important part is the delta...

A+B=C.

Make A (base case) whatever you currently pay. B (additional cost) is the part I am highlighting.

B is approximately 5 to 10 USD per vial depending on how much margin the vendor wants to tack on (if being reasonable). Cost is more like 5 USD per vial again depending on batch sizes.

Fwiw.

 

[bighunanballs]

Got a nice threat today. Very creative. I seem to have gotten someone's attention now. Won't lie. Didn't feel great reading it.

Anyway....

Project 1 (BU raw) full reports and raw data below. Thank you again for all your efforts to get this sample tested @Dirthand.

1. HPLC

Janoshik Analytical

2. GCMS

Janoshik Analytical

3. Metals by EDX

Janoshik Analytical

4. Endotoxins

Janoshik Analytical

The xxxx rows are peptide samples previously tested and presented for comparison (thanks @janoshik!).

5a. KF titration

Janoshik Analytical

5b. Loss on drying (LOD)

Janoshik Analytical

KF and LOD are symbolic tests. The fatty acid methyl ester came off during the LOD test so impossible to get at residual solvents using KF plus LOD. Very nice LOD setup Jano!

care to elaborate on the "Threat"?

do we have any idea what these other peaks are in the chromatogram? those compounds metabolites, poisonous compounds, etc?

 

[Sampei]

The important part is the delta...

A+B=C.

Make A (base case) whatever you currently pay. B (additional cost) is the part I am highlighting.

B is approximately 5 to 10 USD per vial depending on how much margin the vendor wants to tack on (if being reasonable). Cost is more like 5 USD per vial again depending on batch sizes.

Fwiw.

I mean 5$ more for vials for just few test more? Srlsy? It's a joke come on. You make thousand after thousand after thousand of profit selling roids.

QSC is making money selling one vial of testosterone at 5$!!!!!