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@Stanfordpharma1
I know you have no reason to come over here, and I wont fault you if you decide to ignore it but I would greatly appreciate if at minimum you could tell us what equipment you use, so we can better formulate thoughts on if the testing is worthwhile or useless.

I don't know how much would want to disclose the equipment they purchase to manufacturer illegal goods.

The homebrewing bible would be a good start

 

[Stanfordpharma1]

@readalot ,
Can a sterility test confirm the sterilization of the whole batch?
I dont get why it wouldn’t, if the oil is sterile, it should be the same between each vial, and if each vial is sterile itself, why would the test on one vial not be viable for the batch?
Me and @iris have been going back and forth on this and I think she has been misguided and swayed, from the views and ideas of a home brewer that has no picture or idea the level a good UGL lab is on, because all they know is brewing in their “unsterile house” , not a purpose built building solely for brewing, or even the extent of equipment difference between them and an actual lab.

I am under the thought that the labs getting all these problems are not sterilizing somewhere, where they should be.
or what these “floaters” even actually are, are they from the brewing process (which means their brewing is shit) or from the vial itself (maybe from buying the absolute cheapest vial?) if its from the vial, wouldnt sterilizing them, by the brewer, solve ever having floaters or unsterile process at any point?


maybe @Stanfordpharma1 can chime in, with his UGL experience, on his process between each vial, if at any point one can become unsterile vs the next one?
If you can guarantee sterility for the whole batch, within your working environment, or whether the possibility of contamination still exists

Let me premise that I have not read the while thread. Just where I was tagged. Tbh, don't even know what thread I'm on, lol. Just read your post.

To answer your question, almost assuredly it would be a batch issue. Not 100% guaranteed, but almost. Well, that is if the same steps are taken for the whole batch. Floaters have nothing to do with the sterility process and a floater can, and should, be sterile, but it is a contaminant. It can still cause an abscess..vials should be washed before sterilizing. Who knows if a piece of dust or something got into a vial. You have no idea if there was any cleaning process from the factory. Clean vials then sterilize them.

 

[RekTest]

I don't know how much would want to disclose the equipment they purchase to manufacturer illegal goods.

The homebrewing bible would be a good start

I know, and thats why I dont fault him if he does not come around, but I do believe he is waay above the equipment you are saying in your last post.
Thats where the difference of opinion is, you are saying whatman media top bottle with a filter, some ugls may be on that.. but I also believe some use actual machines, that would pretty much make your whole post invalid as once you put the sterile oil into the machine.. and since you arent touching anything with the machine, it should all stay sterile.
But without a UGL coming in here and actually saying what equipment they use, who knows.

 

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but I also believe some use actual machines

Have you seen any in their lab presentation pictures? Stan was selling media bottles at one point. Food for thought...

 

[RekTest]

Have you seen any in their lab presentation pictures? Stan was selling media bottles at one point. Food for thought...

Two sides to a coin, was he selling them because thats what he top filtered into or did he start selling media bottles to off load oil quicker because he had so much?
Who knows.
I get where you are coming from.

 

[readalot]

Is the inside of the human body sterile, in itself?

The inside of the human body is not sterile

Look up "normally sterile sites" if interested.

I ain't getting into sterility testing tonight. Take care.

 

[iris]

Two sides to a coin, was he selling them because thats what he top filtered into or did he start selling media bottles to off load oil quicker because he had so much?
Who knows.
I get where you are coming from.

Does Stan's answer satisfy your query?
Does he say whether batch sterility is guaranteed, within his chain of production?

I hope he will have time to have a look at what this thread is about and why you thought relevant he contributes.

 

[RekTest]

Look up "normally sterile sites" if interested.

I ain't getting into sterility testing tonight. Take care.

From my pea brain, I always thought it was deeper stuff that was the only places that were sterile but I could be wrong, as I have a pea brain lol

Have a good Christmas brother.

 

[Stanfordpharma1]

@Stanfordpharma1
I know you have no reason to come over here, and I wont fault you if you decide to ignore it but I would greatly appreciate if at minimum you could tell us what equipment you use, so we can better formulate thoughts on if the testing is worthwhile or useless.

Typed it all out and then erased. Not sure if I should for opsec reasons.

 

[RekTest]

Typed it all out and then erased. Not sure if I should for opsec reasons.

No chance you can generalize it? Im not asking for exact models or names etc.

 

[readalot]

Typed it all out and then erased. Not sure if I should for opsec reasons.

Be very careful what you do next. There is something very strange in here but I can't put my finger on it.

Take a break and come back to it after you've had time to think through this and the questions on sterility per vial in a batch. The answers can be general.

Take care and hope your healing is going well. Merry Christmas.

 

[RekTest]

But again, I dont know how much equipment of this sort of stuff is out there.. if its a small pool of equipment, I guess even generalizing might be opsec

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Typed it all out and then erased. Not sure if I should for opsec reasons.

Don't do it

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

But again, I dont know how much equipment of this sort of stuff is out there.. if its a small pool of equipment, I guess even generalizing might be opsec

You can trace back and see what a majority of the labs did.... There is plenty of pictures of other lab setups

 

[readalot]

Does Stan's answer satisfy your query?

What does this mean?

 

[RekTest]

Am I in the wrong train of thought

Would knowing if they use an auto machine or manually fills and caps not solve this whole debate of sterilization or no?
If they do it manual, then the testing is useless because theres too many unsterile moving parts, no? But if its auto, hands off, then ???

 

[iris]

What does this mean?

And what does this mean:

Be very careful what you do next. There is something very strange in here but I can't put my finger on it.

This is really bizarre.

You have someone interested in this from the REAL pov of a source he trusts and you say there are motives.
Motives of what?

Why are you not asking these questions to a source that is known and respected?

 

[iris]

Am I in the wrong train of thought

Would knowing if they use an auto machine or manually fills and caps not solve this whole debate of sterilization or no?
If they do it manual, then the testing is useless because theres too many unsterile moving parts, no? But if its auto, hands off, then ???

You are not in the wrong train of thought.

You are asking fair questions, that CAN be answered in a general manner by the source, to address issues that are the exact topic of this thread.

Why it would be "wrong" or "strange" that a member who uses this source is interesting in understanding this, idk.

Someone can explain, though.

Why is Stan not allowed to say whether he believes batch sterility can be confirmed?

 

[readalot]

And what does this mean:




This is really bizarre.

You have someone interested in this from the REAL pov of a source he trusts and you say there are motives.
Motives of what?

Why are you not asking these questions to a source that is known and respected?

Going back to post earlier:

Me and @iris have been going back and forth on this and I think she has been misguided and swayed, from the views and ideas of a home brewer that has no picture or idea the level a good UGL lab is on, because all they know is brewing in their “unsterile house” , not a purpose built building solely for brewing, or even the extent of equipment difference between them and an actual lab.

Where were these conversations held? Something doesn't seem right. Forgive my curiosity.

 

[iris]

Going back to post earlier:



Where were these conversations held? Something doesn't seem right. Forgive my curiosity.

I believe you communicate via dm and so does everyone else.

This question is so odd