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Disclaimer: What I'm about to say is 100% Gundog broscience.

I can frontload no problem if I'm not running a very high amount, <750 mg.

Now let's say I'm running a gram or more of EQ, if I frontload I experience worse sides. It's as if my body needs the buildup time at the beginning of the cycle to tolerate the sides.
 
Disclaimer: What I'm about to say is 100% Gundog broscience.

I can frontload no problem if I'm not running a very high amount, <750 mg.

Now let's say I'm running a gram or more of EQ, if I frontload I experience worse sides. It's as if my body needs the buildup time at the beginning of the cycle to tolerate the sides.
I've tried and front loaded EQ many times. Conclusion? Still takes about 8-10 wks too start seeing minor results. Same as if I don't front load. :)
 
Disclaimer: What I'm about to say is 100% Gundog broscience.

I can frontload no problem if I'm not running a very high amount, <750 mg.

Now let's say I'm running a gram or more of EQ, if I frontload I experience worse sides. It's as if my body needs the buildup time at the beginning of the cycle to tolerate the sides.

I've only front loaded once and this was my experience as well. I think it is best everything build gradually but I always have preferred long esters.


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Hey guys. I have been in the hospital. I have been having tests done on me. Sometimes a person needs to take a break and worry about other things like health. At 40 I am not gonna kick over. So if I wasn't around and didn't respond to a few pm there was a reason.

I don't know if this is just BS or not, nor will I ever know, but if any of the guys reading this thread have been around Meso at least two years, they surely scoff at this "reason" for the inactivity. Many sources here have claimed similar extenuating circumstances to explain their absence coinciding with bad blood work, shorted vials, bad customer services, etc.

In the past, this has always been done for the purpose of damage control, attempting to soften the blow of critics. Does this accurately characterize you (this is rhetorical grademan)? I don't know.

Looked at the bloodwork test. I would not say it's bad. Everyone is different. I have seen A blood test from one of our customers which I posted from atlas sus
750 mg week come back at 7200. Each of us is different. At 500 mg week I would say that's not bad. I have seen lower on a ugl labs. Personally I wouldn't want overdosed gear or under dosed. I want to thank throwback for posting this too.

In an attempt to defend and discredit what could be underdosed results on your test product, you say a customer (who?) at one point in time (when) used atlas sus and came back with 7200 on 750...so we must conclude then that all atlas gear is legit, right? Give me a break.

Additionally, you think 2500 on 500 is not bad because you've seen lower on different UGL products. You're using a reported case of underdosed gear from a different UGL to support your claim of Atlas product quality? This is just another fallacy in the UGL playbook to deflect criticisms of bad products.

Now for the record, I agree everyone is different and as I stated some pages back, aside from analytical testing, established blood work with prescription test is the best way to determine the concentration of UGL test.

The reason I pointed out the logical fallacy of grademan's post made is because some wanted him to show up and give "lip service." Well, that's exactly what the above from grademan is - lip service.

He came back and told you exactly what you want to hear: "there was a serious health reason for my lack of activity, everyone is different, and I'm going to be more active so the coddling can continue..." Everyone feel better now? lol

@grademan glad to see you back and active. That's what we need to see[emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji1303]


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Lip service, indeed. But why do you need to see this?

Do you really expect him to say it's underdosed? Whether it is or not we can't say for sure but why do you or anyone else need the UGL to provide any insight? They're inherently biased, wouldn't you agree?

Some were saying underdosed. I thought was about right where should be.

That reminds me, can you please tell me more about those TT values you posted a couple days ago? I asked you about them but you must have missed it.

I suspect they're nadir values, which is why I asked. If they are nadir, that means those same people would have much higher TT values if blood draw was at peak.
 
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I knew he said something about building as his last excuse. Again, we will never know if it's true.
 
Do the math on it. It is all it's cracked up to be. You get to your peak faster.

Like I said, I
I don't know if this is just BS or not, nor will I ever know, but if any of the guys reading this thread have been around Meso at least two years, they surely scoff at this "reason" for the inactivity. Many sources here have claimed similar extenuating circumstances to explain their absence coinciding with bad blood work, shorted vials, bad customer services, etc.

In the past, this has always been done for the purpose of damage control, attempting to soften the blow of critics. Does this accurately characterize you (this is rhetorical grademan)? I don't know.



In an attempt to defend and discredit what could be underdosed results on your test product, you say a customer (who?) at one point in time (when) used atlas sus and came back with 7200 on 750...so we must conclude then that all atlas gear is legit, right? Give me a break.

Additionally, you think 2500 on 500 is not bad because you've seen lower on different UGL products. You're using a reported case of underdosed gear from a different UGL to support your claim of Atlas product quality? This is just another fallacy in the UGL playbook to deflect criticisms of bad products.

Now for the record, I agree everyone is different and as I stated some pages back, aside from analytical testing, established blood work with prescription test is the best way to determine the concentration of UGL test.

The reason I pointed out the logical fallacy of grademan's post made is because some wanted him to show up and give "lip service." Well, that's exactly what the above from grademan is - lip service.

He came back and told you exactly what you want to hear: "there was a serious health reason for my lack of activity, everyone is different, and I'm going to be more active so the coddling can continue..." Everyone feel better now? lol



Lip service, indeed. But why do you need to see this?

Do you really expect him to say it's underdosed? Whether it is or not we can't say for sure but why do you or anyone else need the UGL to provide any insight? They're inherently biased, wouldn't you agree?



That reminds me, can you please tell me more about those TT values you posted a couple days ago? I asked you about them but you must have missed it.

I suspect they're nadir values, which is why I asked. If they are nadir, that means those same people would have much higher TT values if blood draw was at peak.


Agreed...

I haven't seen one positive outcome were a brand(owner) had a medical "emergency" and stuck around.

This is the oldest trick, damage control by means of a false tragic situation. I mean really, how can you "bash" a guy if his hurt.

There's other sources with great reputation better than this brand, I would and have passed on this guy. But that's only me, do what you want.

Frank
 
I don't know if this is just BS or not, nor will I ever know, but if any of the guys reading this thread have been around Meso at least two years, they surely scoff at this "reason" for the inactivity. Many sources here have claimed similar extenuating circumstances to explain their absence coinciding with bad blood work, shorted vials, bad customer services, etc.

In the past, this has always been done for the purpose of damage control, attempting to soften the blow of critics. Does this accurately characterize you (this is rhetorical grademan)? I don't know.



In an attempt to defend and discredit what could be underdosed results on your test product, you say a customer (who?) at one point in time (when) used atlas sus and came back with 7200 on 750...so we must conclude then that all atlas gear is legit, right? Give me a break.

Additionally, you think 2500 on 500 is not bad because you've seen lower on different UGL products. You're using a reported case of underdosed gear from a different UGL to support your claim of Atlas product quality? This is just another fallacy in the UGL playbook to deflect criticisms of bad products.

Now for the record, I agree everyone is different and as I stated some pages back, aside from analytical testing, established blood work with prescription test is the best way to determine the concentration of UGL test.

The reason I pointed out the logical fallacy of grademan's post made is because some wanted him to show up and give "lip service." Well, that's exactly what the above from grademan is - lip service.

He came back and told you exactly what you want to hear: "there was a serious health reason for my lack of activity, everyone is different, and I'm going to be more active so the coddling can continue..." Everyone feel better now? lol



Lip service, indeed. But why do you need to see this?

Do you really expect him to say it's underdosed? Whether it is or not we can't say for sure but why do you or anyone else need the UGL to provide any insight? They're inherently biased, wouldn't you agree?



That reminds me, can you please tell me more about those TT values you posted a couple days ago? I asked you about them but you must have missed it.

I suspect they're nadir values, which is why I asked. If they are nadir, that means those same people would have much higher TT values if blood draw was at peak.

That study used nadir values. WeightedChinup commented on it somewhere.
 
I don't know if this is just BS or not, nor will I ever know, but if any of the guys reading this thread have been around Meso at least two years, they surely scoff at this "reason" for the inactivity. Many sources here have claimed similar extenuating circumstances to explain their absence coinciding with bad blood work, shorted vials, bad customer services, etc.

In the past, this has always been done for the purpose of damage control, attempting to soften the blow of critics. Does this accurately characterize you (this is rhetorical grademan)? I don't know.



In an attempt to defend and discredit what could be underdosed results on your test product, you say a customer (who?) at one point in time (when) used atlas sus and came back with 7200 on 750...so we must conclude then that all atlas gear is legit, right? Give me a break.

Additionally, you think 2500 on 500 is not bad because you've seen lower on different UGL products. You're using a reported case of underdosed gear from a different UGL to support your claim of Atlas product quality? This is just another fallacy in the UGL playbook to deflect criticisms of bad products.

Now for the record, I agree everyone is different and as I stated some pages back, aside from analytical testing, established blood work with prescription test is the best way to determine the concentration of UGL test.

The reason I pointed out the logical fallacy of grademan's post made is because some wanted him to show up and give "lip service." Well, that's exactly what the above from grademan is - lip service.

He came back and told you exactly what you want to hear: "there was a serious health reason for my lack of activity, everyone is different, and I'm going to be more active so the coddling can continue..." Everyone feel better now? lol



Lip service, indeed. But why do you need to see this?

Do you really expect him to say it's underdosed? Whether it is or not we can't say for sure but why do you or anyone else need the UGL to provide any insight? They're inherently biased, wouldn't you agree?



That reminds me, can you please tell me more about those TT values you posted a couple days ago? I asked you about them but you must have missed it.

I suspect they're nadir values, which is why I asked. If they are nadir, that means those same people would have much higher TT values if blood draw was at peak.

We don't need this, that was sarcasm at its best bud.

And "lip service" again was sarcasm.

Agree with everything else you you stated above.

You are reading into shit a little too deep and going after people who don't need to be going after partner. So read the entire posts prior and read between the lines of sarcasm and sincere meaning behind a post. Mine was sarcasm 100%


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Is there anything I could add to my blast at back end? Running test/deca at week 4. I can't do teen due to bp issues and paranoia. @grademan is there any marker in bloods that will show deca is legit? Progesterone? Or prolactin? Just curious. Or could I just add TNE pre workout? Ty fellas.
 
That study used nadir values. WeightedChinup commented on it somewhere.

Yeah, I see now that study that was posted is the same one thats been going around for awhile and that WC responded to it.

Still would like to know from @legendary where he got those numbers he posted a few pages ago. Not sure if it's from the same study or not.
 
We don't need this, that was sarcasm at its best bud.

And "lip service" again was sarcasm.

Agree with everything else you you stated above.

You are reading into shit a little too deep and going after people who don't need to be going after partner. So read the entire posts prior and read between the lines of sarcasm and sincere meaning behind a post. Mine was sarcasm 100%


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Yeah unfortunate too. I've pretty much moved along. I'm glad I seen some people post bloods, but it's getting hard to stay in this thread without geademan to answer questions and make the appearance. Dammit! I mean give us some lip service [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[COLOR=#ff0000][B]@grademan[/B][/COLOR] glad to see you back and active. That's what we need to see[emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji1303]


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I apologize if I misread you posts, in that you were being facetious, but in my defense, if you look above in the posts I've quoted, red is what I take as a serious comment (not sarcastic) and the blue I see as humor.

Reading this two separate tones on your post, can you see how I might be confused as to what you REALLY mean?

So if I were to take your statements in red as serious, that's why I poised those questions to you.

Again, sorry if I misinterpreted.
 
Love riding my harley with a tangtop lookin jacked feeling awesome, not the place to post stuff like this but everyone have a goodweekend be safe
 
I apologize if I misread you posts, in that you were being facetious, but in my defense, if you look above in the posts I've quoted, red is what I take as a serious comment (not sarcastic) and the blue I see as humor.

Reading this two separate tones on your post, can you see how I might be confused as to what you REALLY mean?

So if I were to take your statements in red as serious, that's why I poised those questions to you.

Again, sorry if I misinterpreted.

No worries [emoji1303][emoji16][emoji1303]

It was legitimate concerns you had and valid points. Just wanted to ensure everyone knew mine were sarcastic in nature [emoji14][emoji14]


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