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Recomp cycle
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Well first of all you look young, athletic... how many cycles have you done? What's your "trt" dose, obviously not doctor prescribed?
You're about average height, weight, and bodyfat for a novice gym rat on gear, so what would you like to be at? I doubt masteron and EQ will be the compounds that get you there.
You're about average height, weight, and bodyfat for a novice gym rat on gear, so what would you like to be at? I doubt masteron and EQ will be the compounds that get you there.
I did 4 cycles with a bad PCT after the third and I lost almost most of my gains. I did a dbol only cycle 30mg ED, Sustanon Deca 500/500, test p tren a 700/350, PCT and adrol,deca,test e 50mg/500mg/300mg.
I am actually at 150mg test e/week. In fact I want to bulk but from a cleaner base. I had solid gains with 700mg test p and 350mg tren a i was at the same weight but way bigger.
You said you lost a lot of gains after the third cycle so you'd think there would be some muscle memory. I think you'd be better off with test/tren/masteron especially since summer is almost here and you're doing trt doses now. And you've already seen success with tren, it was just the pct that didn't go well.
WannaBeBIG
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Blast and cruise baby. Cycle with test/mast/Tren. Fucking love that combo.
500 test/700 mast/500 Tren is what I’m running right now while recomping at a significant caloric deficit and fat is peeling off with weight staying mostly the same.
If you ran something similar at a caloric surplus you would see great results if your training/nutrition is on point too
500 test/700 mast/500 Tren is what I’m running right now while recomping at a significant caloric deficit and fat is peeling off with weight staying mostly the same.
If you ran something similar at a caloric surplus you would see great results if your training/nutrition is on point too
Ok, I see thank you I will do that
How long should I run it ? 12 weeks ? And I want to go with enanthate I prefer it
WannaBeBIG
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Yeah you can run E esters. I’m running Tren A but test e and mast e. You could easily run e all 3.
Yeah 12 weeks is a decent blast and about the longest I would personally run Tren for. You could always do 16 weeks and drop the Tren part way through or run it toward the end. It’s really however long you’re willing to commit to the cycle that dictates overall length since you can get great results on any length cycle with the right planning
I wanted to try like a 16 weeks cycle because I like to adjust week after week and 12 weeks seems short that’s why I thought about EQ, but yes might try this one
RunTrenFcukTens
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Second this. I’ll always do test p/mast p/tren a and anavar 40-80mg/day for about 8-10weeks at lower dosages though 300-400/wk. Tren is even good at 200mg/wk. Never understood why people go so high with Tren unless they can handle sides and your body truly changes daily. I’ve never ran that high so I can share if it would be beneficial to me. Im thinking I’d have to up Mast to at least 600mg to truly see it shine.
WannaBeBIG
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I’ve only run Eq in cycles that were cut short so I don’t have enough experience with the compound to give advice to its use but if you run it try and get your hands on bold-Cypionate so the half-life is easier to deal with.
I think my current run is going to end up being 16 weeks and I agree with you about the freedom to adjust doses as you go. Sometimes you need to feel out a dose for a couple weeks before you can say it’s the right dose or you need to go up/down so having the timeframe to experiment is worth it in my opinion
350mg tren a and 700mg testo I could eat like a pig and get bigger and cutting at the same time
Yes, in fact I like to tweak dosage and calories and it is not really possible on 12 weeks cycle since long esthers are kicking in at about week 6. If I was trying to shred like crazy I will not have to tweak that much and I would go for a 12 weeks short esthers cycle, but I want to do a body recomp and then bulk with Deca from a clean base
WannaBeBIG
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If you frontload properly you can have proper saturation week 1. It's easy with enanthate esters Frontloading Article where you inject day 1 - 1 half life's worth of compound alongside your day 1 shot. Max saturation min time.
That way you're not waiting a month or more for stable blood levels.
Since you're already an average leanness i wouldn't use a significant surplus since recomping is your goal and not a bulk. I wouldn't go over 4-500 calorie surplus while tweaking carb intake to affect leanness based on energy expenditure. Unless its a training day I would go so far as to say eat maintenance calories since you're going to be in an anabolic state due to the hormones your nutrient partitioning will be improved so you can do more with less calories while using some fat for fuel
Thank you, I will read this later since is night here in France haha
I have a big question, should I up the calories straight from day 1 or still wait compounds are stable ? In fact I begin upping my calories from about week 2-3
WannaBeBIG
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The key with calories is your body craves stability and will fight to maintain your 'bodyweight set point"-the weight you find yourself always regressing back to.
I always suggest a low and slow approach to upping calories so your body doesn't get fat and its easier to address weight gain properly. 100 calories/day increase per week. I usually do this by adding a scoop of protein extra to my shakes. I wouldn't address excess calories past 500/day per week since its just going to take longer to build up to that and I don't know how long you want to 'perma-bulk' so adding calories with carbs or fats isn't advisable.
You definitely don't need to wait to up calories for stable blood levels of hormones at week 4 or 5 but by increasing calories slowly week by week by week 4 or 5 you can be at your goal calories for your cycle without fail where you can increase further if you can maintain leanness or lower calories if you're not gaining the weight you want as in fat.
Well you've done it before, so I'd build off that experience to design your next cycle. I prefer enanthate myself. I'm on the tri-tren now and kind of wish I'd done the enanthate route.
The length and dose is probably something you can answer best for yourself but in my opinion you're looking pretty good already and probably won't need a very long cycle to get the results you want. If doing 8 weeks with enanthate, I'd probably front load by doubling the dose the first week. If doing 12 or more I probably wouldn't front load and would expect to see it kick in on week 4-5. One thing about front loading tren is you'll probably see a blood pressure spike.
Masteron tends to dry and harden people up but anavar and winstrol tend to complement tren very well too, anadrol too for bulking.
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Okey thank you !
And if I do a tren/mast cycle, since I am on B&C how much should I wait till bulking with deca ? Cause idk if it’s a great idea to go straight with deca after a tren cycle since they are both 19-nor
Generally speaking, it takes about 5 half lives to wash out, or 5 weeks with enanthate. But since I live with cold weather climate I wait until winter to bulk. I don't want to look bloated and chubby while wearing a light t-shirt and shorts.
Where I live we do not know what winter is hahaha, thank you for the answer
WannaBeBIG
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generally with blasting and cruising you cruise at trt dose for your bloodwork to normalize. Tren is hard on your lipid profile so especially for heart and organ health I’d hold off on bulking and cruise until my bloodwork looks pretty decent. Could take a month of cruising or six months of cruising for bloodwork to normalize but this life is a marathon not a sprint so taking the time for your Heath is always worthwhile.
At least that’s how I look at setting up for future cycles
