Reflections of using low dose tren <300mg a week(long read)

[Rido]

Starting with cliffs... TLDR. Based off my recent experience.
-75-225mg of tren can be very beneficial for the sake of harm reduction
-Watch for nasty sides
-Significant visual/strength changes in the first week.
-Can use other anabolics for anabolism than relying solely on tren.
-Have plenty of ancillaries. Antihypertensive, sleep aids.




So I wanted to create this discussion because I bailed on deca halfway through the cycle and used tren starting at 250mg a week dropping down to 75mg a week. I was on it for about 9 weeks.
I front loaded Tren E because I bailed on deca and to play catch up.


So for the sake of harm reduction I think adding it at 75-225mg/week can have phenomenal changes for most users. Go figure... This is 1-3 amps.of parabolan. What I guess alot of people said they ran back in the day.

The closest thing I could compare this to was mastx5(so far). I for hell couldn't compare this to anything else mg for mg.


I borderline had harsh mental effects, negative thoughts. I would went nuts if I ran it at 300. I felt like I was short with people overall.

Sometimes I did have to pull myself away from situations to take a breather and relax. -Now even a week in, I noticed so many visual changes.
Strength changes within days.
Enlargement if all of my muscles. My calves felt enormous.
I started snoring because my neck became even more enlarged. I felt like a tank everywhere I went. Big and slow.

Came into the gym still feeling amazing and hyperfocused. But all of this extra weight was uncomfortable for me.

I did question if I could handle this longer at a low dose. High dose short cycle vs lower dose long cycle.

I felt the wear and tear on me. Just prolonged suffering instead of getting in and out. I haven't used tren hex but when I do, I plan to run it at 150 a week for 10 weeks. I do notice I have bigger issues with a serum spikes (day of injections or the day after) increased anger/aggression with none of the increases benefit. I also didn't notice much change at 150mg/wk from 250mg/wk.

My HDL was cut in half within weeks and I had elevated LFTs for once.

I eventually dropped tren to 75mg which I eventually swapped to mast cutting cruise.

I don't notice any deceleration from moving from tren to mast.

It did reduce the sensation of my dick so I use to do a death grip on it try to cum.

I had perverse thoughts but I was too wrapped up in myself to want to bang everyone out there.

The lack of sleep didn't help. Even at 75mg a week it felt worse at this point cause it was going for so long.

I guess my biggest takeaway is this is a super powerful substance and I feel like too many people use it at way too high of a dose. I think everyone agrees that it is the harshest one to use. There is no reason for any non competitor to run it. But we all know people are going to try It/use it.




Too many people are using this for forced recomp. Especially people who lack so much muscle mass. There are plenty of other PEDs that can help with it instead.

Have a sleep aid. Even Ambien or lunesta 3x a week may help with sleeping on this.(I haven't used lunesta yet). I know some people mentioned Seroquel in the past


If anyone else has experience on sub 300mg/wk it would be nice to post it.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Ran less than 300 for the prep I went pro with and I’m gonna do all I can to fight the urge to ever use more.

I felt and looked so fresh. Still slept decent. Tren did it’s job. Was as shredded as ever.

The % of people who have any business running tren over 250 would round to zero.

 

[T&H]

Starting with cliffs... TLDR. Based off my recent experience.
-75-225mg of tren can be very beneficial for the sake of harm reduction
-Watch for nasty sides
-Significant visual/strength changes in the first week.
-Can use other anabolics for anabolism than relying solely on tren.
-Have plenty of ancillaries. Antihypertensive, sleep aids.




So I wanted to create this discussion because I bailed on deca halfway through the cycle and used tren starting at 250mg a week dropping down to 75mg a week. I was on it for about 9 weeks.
I front loaded Tren E because I bailed on deca and to play catch up.


So for the sake of harm reduction I think adding it at 75-225mg/week can have phenomenal changes for most users. Go figure... This is 1-3 amps.of parabolan. What I guess alot of people said they ran back in the day.

The closest thing I could compare this to was mastx5(so far). I for hell couldn't compare this to anything else mg for mg.


I borderline had harsh mental effects, negative thoughts. I would went nuts if I ran it at 300. I felt like I was short with people overall.

Sometimes I did have to pull myself away from situations to take a breather and relax. -Now even a week in, I noticed so many visual changes.
Strength changes within days.
Enlargement if all of my muscles. My calves felt enormous.
I started snoring because my neck became even more enlarged. I felt like a tank everywhere I went. Big and slow.

Came into the gym still feeling amazing and hyperfocused. But all of this extra weight was uncomfortable for me.

I did question if I could handle this longer at a low dose. High dose short cycle vs lower dose long cycle.

I felt the wear and tear on me. Just prolonged suffering instead of getting in and out. I haven't used tren hex but when I do, I plan to run it at 150 a week for 10 weeks. I do notice I have bigger issues with a serum spikes (day of injections or the day after) increased anger/aggression with none of the increases benefit. I also didn't notice much change at 150mg/wk from 250mg/wk.

My HDL was cut in half within weeks and I had elevated LFTs for once.

I eventually dropped tren to 75mg which I eventually swapped to mast cutting cruise.

I don't notice any deceleration from moving from tren to mast.

It did reduce the sensation of my dick so I use to do a death grip on it try to cum.

I had perverse thoughts but I was too wrapped up in myself to want to bang everyone out there.

The lack of sleep didn't help. Even at 75mg a week it felt worse at this point cause it was going for so long.

I guess my biggest takeaway is this is a super powerful substance and I feel like too many people use it at way too high of a dose. I think everyone agrees that it is the harshest one to use. There is no reason for any non competitor to run it. But we all know people are going to try It/use it.




Too many people are using this for forced recomp. Especially people who lack so much muscle mass. There are plenty of other PEDs that can help with it instead.

Have a sleep aid. Even Ambien or lunesta 3x a week may help with sleeping on this.(I haven't used lunesta yet). I know some people mentioned Seroquel in the past


If anyone else has experience on sub 300mg/wk it would be nice to post it.

Great read. I was one who was turned off from ever using Tren based on the number of threads talking about the amount and severity of sides. Until I read the 70mg a week over on PM. Grabbed a bottle of Ace to try in the future at 10mg a day.

 

[Big_paul]

It affects everyone differently. 250/250 test e and tren ace was a mild cycle I would run for lean gains after I was in my 40's.

I never experienced many of the negative sides other members have, but I definitely saw the benefits even on a low dose.

I never made it past 3 weeks on anadrol.

 

[Deadp007]

Any intention of trying tren a?
And @Mac11wildcat was this also tren E?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Any intention of trying tren a?
And @Mac11wildcat was this also tren E?

Always ace. I actively dislike E. I want tren in and out.

 

[Rido]

Any intention of trying tren a?
And @Mac11wildcat was this also tren E?

I think my fear is the tren serum spikes creates my irritability more than anything else. My wife is the main one would may take a hit.

I also don't like pinning everyday

 

[Deadp007]

Always ace. I actively dislike E. I want tren in and out.

Right! I'm armchairing here but i am interested in a low to moderate tren run & just from various readings I was heavily biased towards acetate. Glad you shared your thoughts with the forum.

I was kinda surprised @Cridi887 went with the enanthate version.

 

[Rido]

I was kinda surprised @Cridi887 went with the enanthate version.

I didn't want to pin that often. And based off of reading what some older competitors run in actual practice of 1-3 amps of parabolan with minimal sides.(76-228mg of tren hex).

Not comparing myself to the competitors of the past. They probably had 25-30 lbs of mass on top of me.

figured I should be able to hang. Especially with my blood monitoring

I think part of me even going to 250mg was the cockiness and wondering "not much of a difference between this and 200".

I did notice a difference between 250 and sub200. All mental, none physical

I was snoring even around 200.

When I dropped to 75 the snoring started to subside.

 

[Type-IIx]

Starting with cliffs... TLDR. Based off my recent experience.
-75-225mg of tren can be very beneficial for the sake of harm reduction
-Watch for nasty sides
-Significant visual/strength changes in the first week.
-Can use other anabolics for anabolism than relying solely on tren.
-Have plenty of ancillaries. Antihypertensive, sleep aids.




So I wanted to create this discussion because I bailed on deca halfway through the cycle and used tren starting at 250mg a week dropping down to 75mg a week. I was on it for about 9 weeks.
I front loaded Tren E because I bailed on deca and to play catch up.


So for the sake of harm reduction I think adding it at 75-225mg/week can have phenomenal changes for most users. Go figure... This is 1-3 amps.of parabolan. What I guess alot of people said they ran back in the day.

The closest thing I could compare this to was mastx5(so far). I for hell couldn't compare this to anything else mg for mg.


I borderline had harsh mental effects, negative thoughts. I would went nuts if I ran it at 300. I felt like I was short with people overall.

Sometimes I did have to pull myself away from situations to take a breather and relax. -Now even a week in, I noticed so many visual changes.
Strength changes within days.
Enlargement if all of my muscles. My calves felt enormous.
I started snoring because my neck became even more enlarged. I felt like a tank everywhere I went. Big and slow.

Came into the gym still feeling amazing and hyperfocused. But all of this extra weight was uncomfortable for me.

I did question if I could handle this longer at a low dose. High dose short cycle vs lower dose long cycle.

I felt the wear and tear on me. Just prolonged suffering instead of getting in and out. I haven't used tren hex but when I do, I plan to run it at 150 a week for 10 weeks. I do notice I have bigger issues with a serum spikes (day of injections or the day after) increased anger/aggression with none of the increases benefit. I also didn't notice much change at 150mg/wk from 250mg/wk.

My HDL was cut in half within weeks and I had elevated LFTs for once.

I eventually dropped tren to 75mg which I eventually swapped to mast cutting cruise.

I don't notice any deceleration from moving from tren to mast.

It did reduce the sensation of my dick so I use to do a death grip on it try to cum.

I had perverse thoughts but I was too wrapped up in myself to want to bang everyone out there.

The lack of sleep didn't help. Even at 75mg a week it felt worse at this point cause it was going for so long.

I guess my biggest takeaway is this is a super powerful substance and I feel like too many people use it at way too high of a dose. I think everyone agrees that it is the harshest one to use. There is no reason for any non competitor to run it. But we all know people are going to try It/use it.




Too many people are using this for forced recomp. Especially people who lack so much muscle mass. There are plenty of other PEDs that can help with it instead.

Have a sleep aid. Even Ambien or lunesta 3x a week may help with sleeping on this.(I haven't used lunesta yet). I know some people mentioned Seroquel in the past


If anyone else has experience on sub 300mg/wk it would be nice to post it.

I really think it can decrease risk aversion and/or increase impulsivity. Nobody seems to stick with 75 mg/w, which would seem more than adequate.

 

[Rido]

I really think it can decrease risk aversion and/or increase impulsivity. Nobody seems to stick with 75 mg/w, which would seem more than adequate.

Yes. I still noticed quite a bit of visual changes at 75.

Would the goal of that dose be for nutrient partitioning?

 

[Zmn71]

The majority of my “cycles” have been TRT test + 150-200 tren ace. Have never gone higher nor have I seen the need to. Low and slow works great.

 

[Type-IIx]

Yes. I still noticed quite a bit of visual changes at 75.

Would the goal of that dose be for nutrient partitioning?

Recomp (and increased strength), which I suppose is analogous to what a lot of guys just call enhanced nutrient partitioning. I think of the two a little differently.

 

[narta]

When I run tren, I always opted for low dosages. 1-2 parabolan or 150mg tren e. Great drug, amazing body changes, but the mentality was not me and it drove me to places I don't like. Quit playing with it a decade ago, no need for an old(er) non competing guy to tinker with that no more. It was fun while it lasted though.

For some weird reason original parabolan seemed stronger, but I know it was placebo, no real scientific reason to explain that. Never used hex from ug/raws though.

 

[eery]

Recomp (and increased strength), which I suppose is analogous to what a lot of guys just call enhanced nutrient partitioning. I think of the two a little differently.

care to elaborate?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Recomp (and increased strength), which I suppose is analogous to what a lot of guys just call enhanced nutrient partitioning. I think of the two a little differently.

I’d agree, not the same.

 

[Type-IIx]

care to elaborate?

Sure, so Recomp is really a goal or outcome of a dietary & training (& drug) regimen, like fat loss or bulking. Whereas fat loss is defined as decreased FM & retention of LBM, Recomp is defined as increased LBM & decreased FM (fat mass).

Partitioning is a concept that serves the goal of all rational dietary interventions. The p-ratio (partitioning ratio) describes protein deposited in LBM tissues relative to energy intake and, conversely, protein lost from LBM tissues relative to energy deficit. The p-ratio encompasses the factors of i) hormone status (i.e., absolute levels of known key hormones), ii) insulin sensitivity, & iii) leptin sensitivity. There is an interplay between i) - iii).

Insulin sensitivity: when dieting (i.e., in a state of energy deficit), Insulin resistance enhances fat loss by limiting the muscle's use of glucose for fuel - sparing glucose
for use by the brain & ↑intramuscular FA utilization . When bulking, insulin sensitivity within muscle is good & in fat cells bad:

For example: individuals with poor skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity overproduce insulin; store more kcal in AT (why they have more trouble getting "the pump").

Factors that affect insulin sensitivity include: i) b.f.% (primary predictor): ↑b.f. ⇒ ↑FA substrates for fuel (sparing glucose & protein) & dictates adipokine signaling (i.e., adipocyte-secreting hormones [Leptin, TNF-α, IL-..., adiponectin, etc.]), ii) diet: HI CHO (especially refined), saturated fat & low fiber ⇒ ↓insulin sensitivity, iii) muscular contraction ⇒ ↑insulin sensitivity (by ↑glucose uptake into muscle cell; GLUT4 translocation), iv) glycogen depletion ⇒ ↑insulin sensitivity (why though?)... this contradicts later passages where glycogen depletion is said to promote insulin resistance, by sparing glucose & promoting FA oxidation by increasing the use of FA substrates as energy to perform work... the resulting increased blood FA concentrations further promote insulin resistance, v) genetic factors (... another day)
Leptin is an adipokine hormone, secreted primarily by adipocytes, correlate with b.f.%, ↑b.f. ⇒ ↑Leptin. (Visceral vs. subcutaneous depots have different relationships to Leptin). At any given b.f.%, women produce ~2-3x Leptin vs. men. Δ with energy restriction & overfeeding. Leptin is a primary energy storage regulatory signal that reflects: i) b.f. % & ii) energy intake

Example 1: Upon initiating a diet, Leptin may decline by 50% within 1 week (or less) - although obviously have not lost 50% b.f. - so acutely, Leptin Δ become unrelated to b.f. (rather signaling energy intake)

After the initial decline, there is a more gradual decline in leptin related to b.f. loss.

Example 2: Upon overfeeding, leptin similarly ↑rapidly (a without a relationship to Δb.f. )

In the short term, leptin secretion primarily determined by glucose availability - such that pulling glucose out of the fat cell (dieting) ⇒ ↓Leptin & vice versa

Leptin hormone's site-specific effects include effects on the pancreas & liver, in skeletal muscle it ↑FA & ↓AA & glucose use as fuel substrates (enhancing fat loss, promoting protein sparing)....

I could go on for days about this.

Essentially, partitioning is a concept that couples leptin & insulin sensitvity (as these are principal factors in how changes in caloric intake (and macronutrient content) affect metabolism (influencing body composition profoundly) as well as hormonal status. We can tweak and enhance it.

P-ratio factors into all aspects of dietary interventions and we want to enhance p-ratio whether recomping, bulking, or cutting.

 

[Untold2101]

Ran less than 300 for the prep I went pro with and I’m gonna do all I can to fight the urge to ever use more.

I felt and looked so fresh. Still slept decent. Tren did it’s job. Was as shredded as ever.

The % of people who have any business running tren over 250 would round to zero.

I'd probably agree, but weirdly enough I've pushed that over the years up to 500mg and seem to never have half the sides most get, on really high carb days I do slightly turn into a space heater after meals but that's literally almost it. Don't really get Trensomnia, but can tell the sleep quality takes a slight hit.

I also seem to do fine with higher Deca doses so not sure if my body just does really well with 19-Nors, or if I just don't utilize them correctly. Last cycle with Tren in it I brought it was down to 240mg (80mg M-W-F) and still had great results so if I run it anymore that's probably what I'll stick with. Getting older, gotta stop beating myself up, but the bloods always come back happy enough after so who the hell knows!

Also, always gear from known trusted vendors, and in testing this I've tried 3 different ones, always same results.

 

[Laxbro88]

Great thread thanks for sharing your experiences @Cridi887

 

[DollaBill]

To those who run sub-250… like 70-120mg per week.

Do you pin daily? Or eod? I know the most beneficial would be daily; for the efficacy. Just curious what you guys have done in the past?

I fucking hate pinning daily. Shit turns into a nightmare after about 6 weeks.

I’ve been too much of a puss to try the slin pin sub injections.

Thanks all