Reliable info for insulin or not?

[SJB78]

Everything you wanted to know about insulin and bodybuilding
Hi guys. I'm researching insulin use and was wondering what you guys think of the above link. Also do most of you stick to the 10grams per iu rule?

 

[Leangains4life]

Been diabeic for 2 years.. Still learning today.. Would love to get some info from jason poston.. Hes one heck of a good physic dude with diabetes!

Bostin loyds seems to know alot.. Insulin gut , never saw jason poston with a insulin gut

 

[Gunrunner]

Look up any articles on the subject by Mike Arnold.

The Ultimate Insulin Protocol

 

[master.on]

Even with a strict diet slin will make you gain fat.
So IMO slin is best suited for skinny hard-gainer type BBers who wouldn't care about little fat.

 

[Mr MASSE]

Or with use of HGH you would not gain fat with insulin...

 

[kosta jeezy]

I use insulin most of time. Not much when I cut, but it can transpond to create fat easier.

But I stick to the 10gram per iu rule for sure. Why fuck around and die. I also stay up for Atleast 4 hours after i pin slin. You can get some great results. The faster the acting the better the slin I feel. So I use the fastest (Novolog) and pin right after my work out and down my carbs and proton Before I'm gone the parking lot of the gym.

 

[Dr JIM]

Everything you wanted to know about insulin and bodybuilding

Apparently they forgot to mention the most IMPORTANT thing "BB" need to know about insulin.

Few benefit from its use bc unlike TT whose secretion is relatively FIXED, insulin production varies throughout the day depending upon serum GLUCOSE levels

The fact is very few PED users have even the faintest idea about how to use slin as PED itself.

Those that do are almost exclusively involved in the sport of competitive BB, and there aren't many of those on Meso. How prophetic it is when I hear weekend warrior PED users at the gym discuss slin like they have advanced to the "final level" (Apparently after PEPS, AAS, GH etc) yet have never competed.

I mean for some the end point remains the same from day one, and it's a hell of a lot of risk for; a bathroom mirror.

My advice stay away from slin.

 

[Dr JIM]

10grams per iu rule?

Have you ever investigated the evidence for such a "rule"?

Because if it's like most bro science, once such a fanciful dictum is posted on a few boards, soon thereafter it's propagated as factual info and in short order becomes bro lore.

And once something becomes bro lore, like AI/E-2 rebound, 19-Nor/prolactin elevation etc both thought and theory are thrown in the trash can, and are replaced by endless parroting which has haunted much of contemporary BB.

To that end I've no doubt some bro used a similar formula for TYPE I DAIBETICS to derive this 10 X rule.

And that's how foolish bro science can be and often is, IME!

I mean no consideration is given to the type of carbs ingested, exercise activity, BMR, the form of insulin used or its half life, or the influence of other food stuffs ALL of which effect serum glucose levels and the amount of insulin required ESPECIALLY in those who's endogenous slin production is otherwise intact.

NUTS, ABSOLUTELY NUTS!

 

[SJB78]

Very valid points @Dr JIM. I will take all of your suggestions into consideration when I'm looking into this stuff. Thanks.

 

[SJB78]

When looking at blood glucose levels when testing with a glucometer should the levels be 5.5mmol or is this just for a "normal person"? Everywhere I read about testing levels but no one can shoot me a straight answer to what they are meant to be.

 

[Dr JIM]

Normal FASTING serum BS ranges between 60-100 mg/dl.

The lower range is quite variable and levels below 60mg/dl do NOT imply "hypoglycemia"!

I don't know where your looking for this info, for those reasons I've already eluded to, but an AAS board is NOT anywhere close to ideal.

Try an ADA site to become legitimately informed!

 

[SJB78]

Always full of sarcasm @Dr JIM but never an answer.
Also I love the way you guide me towards the ADA which shows how ethnocentric your views are. We're not all amarican 'round here mate.
Asking as much as I can on a well respected board combined with doing my own research is how I collate all of my information required to use aas/slin safely.
I have always been respectful towards other members however sarcasm is just unnecessary. By all means if you have constructive criticism bring it on but leave the sarcasm out of it.

 

[SJB78]

http://www.davepalumbo.com/members-dpdotcom/MuscularArchives2003/INSULIN%20ARTICLE.pdf
Some more info.

 

[Dr JIM]

Normal FASTING serum BS ranges between 60-100 mg/dl

THATS THE ANSWER and if you need to convert it to another unit try the web!

If you consider the truth sarcasm so be it and as for the rest of your queries good luck "bro"!

More importantly you're considering the use of slin and don't even know what serum glucose norms are or how to use a glucometer!

And to think you thought my referencing the ADA website was "sarcasm", it was NOT, bc alomost all of your questions are addressed there.

 

[SJB78]

THATS THE ANSWER and if you need to convert it to another unit try the web!

If you consider the truth sarcasm so be it and as for the rest of your queries good luck "bro"!

More importantly you're considering the use of slin and don't even know what serum glucose norms are or how to use a glucometer!

That's exactly why I asked the question as I feel until I know the answer then I won't even consider running it. However since reading your above post I have gone out of this forum and looked up some answers to the glucometer question.
So there, maybe there is a method in your madness of using sarcasm as a solution to ones problem.
Please leave the "bro" shit out of this. It's a term that most of us Aussies think is a complete wank created by your fellow American counterparts. Mate will do just fine thanks.

 

[Mr MASSE]

For Mr Dr Jim is everything nuts what other people write!
10 gr Dextrose per IU insulin is for the very first time! It's enough carbs for a good hour. Then a good meal.
If you take Gh and insulin you don't get as fast as without Gh in hyperglycemia.
Here we just talk about insulin. No one post hete how you have to do it.
Just search for a good script how you have to do it.
Stay with enough dextrose for every time you use it.

 

[master.on]

Doctors have tried Insulin for treating anorexia
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1967765/pdf/brmedj02923-0040.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1944012/pdf/brmedj02361-0033.pdf

So it makes sense to think that slin helps gaining weight
although you'll also gain fat