Reta/ Var for cutting 22% bf > 15%

[xrayphoton13]

Have you ever seen the Scally protocol? Dr Scally posted results of one individual on here many years ago if you search for it.. It was a recomp protocol of:
Month 1: 50mg anadrol per day
Month 2: 100mg anadrol per day
Month 3: 150mg anadrol per day.
He monitored patient's blood work throughout. Patients were not on trt testosterone. Only anadrol. They would lose weight and gain muscle by the end and have minimal suppression of their hpta since anadrol doesn't aromatize. Anadrol supresses appetite in many people but is also a great anabolic.
These days we have trt and glp1s which would be the safer route to take. But it's still pretty cool I think. I attempted it a few months ago out of curiosity but I don't even think I made it a week. Daily anadrol is tough. I get acid reflux and indigestion if its not just a few days per week preworkout. I'm on trt so it wouldn't be quite the same anyway.

 

[RockyP]

Have you ever seen the Scally protocol? Dr Scally posted results of one individual on here many years ago if you search for it.. It was a recomp protocol of:
Month 1: 50mg anadrol per day
Month 2: 100mg anadrol per day
Month 3: 150mg anadrol per day.
He monitored patient's blood work throughout. Patients were not on trt testosterone. Only anadrol. They would lose weight and gain muscle by the end and have minimal suppression of their hpta since anadrol doesn't aromatize. Anadrol supresses appetite in many people but is also a great anabolic.
These days we have trt and glp1s which would be the safer route to take. But it's still pretty cool I think. I attempted it a few months ago out of curiosity but I don't even think I made it a week. Daily anadrol is tough. I get acid reflux and indigestion if its not just a few days per week preworkout. I'm on trt so it wouldn't be quite the same anyway.

Anadrol is fantastic. Have you tried the injectable version to bypass the GI issues?

 

[BigDadd7]

Am I the only that takes anadrol with a preworkout meal? I never get gi issues from it.

 

[RockyP]

Am I the only that takes anadrol with a preworkout meal? I never get gi issues from it.

I always take it with food. The gerd is inconsistent and mild which leads me to believe it could be due to other factors such as the size of the meal, protein content, and how many other pills I’m taking with it. For others it does seem to be a rather limiting side effect.

 

[BigDadd7]

I always take it with food. The gerd is inconsistent and mild which leads me to believe it could be due to other factors such as the size of the meal, protein content, and how many other pills I’m taking with it. For others it does seem to be a rather limiting side effect.

I guess we can consider ourselves fortunate.

 

[RockyP]

I guess we can consider ourselves fortunate.

I’ve been having good luck with sodium bicarbonate tabs for some of the dyspepsia related to Reta dose increases. I’ve also read Betaine helps with this by assisting in digestion. I used to think that var was giving me horrible gerd until I realized that I was taking it with meal 1 and (literally) 25-28 other pills. With a slowed gastric emptying, all those pills just sitting there are going to make for some nasty stomach contents that can reflux upwards. Have you ever smelled some of these liver / kidney support pills? Awful…

Bottom line is I was quick to blame the oral steroids for the gerd when that wasn’t the culprit.

 

[adrenalytic]

I’ve been having good luck with sodium bicarbonate tabs for some of the dyspepsia related to Reta dose increases. I’ve also read Betaine helps with this by assisting in digestion. I used to think that var was giving me horrible gerd until I realized that I was taking it with meal 1 and (literally) 25-28 other pills. With a slowed gastric emptying, all those pills just sitting there are going to make for some nasty snatch contents that can reflux upwards.

Bottom line is I was quick to blame the oral steroids for the gerd when that wasn’t the culprit.

omeprazole and never look back. GERD is caused by dysfunction of the lower esophageal sphincter, allowing stomach contents to reflux into the esophagus. Omeprazole reduces stomach acid and decreases irritation.

 

[RockyP]

omeprazole and never look back. GERD is caused by dysfunction of the lower esophageal sphincter, allowing stomach contents to reflux into the esophagus. Omeprazole reduces stomach acid and decreases irritation.

I’ve come close to using it but the gerd always subsides. It’s really been most bothersome for the few weeks after a Reta dosage increase but I’m at my max dosage for now and luckily it hasn’t come back

 

[adrenalytic]

I’ve come close to using it but the gerd always subsides. It’s really been most bothersome for the few weeks after a Reta dosage increase but I’m at my max dosage for now and luckily it hasn’t come back

it's mandatory for me on anavar days

 

[jboogie83]

I’ve been having good luck with sodium bicarbonate tabs for some of the dyspepsia related to Reta dose increases. I’ve also read Betaine helps with this by assisting in digestion. I used to think that var was giving me horrible gerd until I realized that I was taking it with meal 1 and (literally) 25-28 other pills. With a slowed gastric emptying, all those pills just sitting there are going to make for some nasty snatch contents that can reflux upwards.

Bottom line is I was quick to blame the oral steroids for the gerd when that wasn’t the culprit.

I make my own Pre-Workout with 3-4g betaine added to the mix. Haven't had any dyspepsia issues yet, just random bouts of nausea here and there that pass quickly. I do feel the extra "fullness," but I imagine there's a combo of actual effects and placebo happening since I haven't been on the Reta but a month now.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Anadrol is fantastic. Have you tried the injectable version to bypass the GI issues?

Working on it! Have raws, just need to find some free time to brew it up now

 

[Captain Furious]

omeprazole and never look back. GERD is caused by dysfunction of the lower esophageal sphincter, allowing stomach contents to reflux into the esophagus. Omeprazole reduces stomach acid and decreases irritation.

Using omeprazole is the wrong answer. YES, it does lower stomach acid, BUT that means there is less acid available to properly digest your food. Better solution is to supplement with HCL tabs and dump the Omeprazole. Otherwise, over time you're putting yourself in a long-term bad situation. The weakened the sphincter is due to chronic reflux. Omeprazole treats the symptoms (like most pharmacological solutions), but does NOT address the underlying causes of the symptoms. Treat the cause, NOT the symptoms.

 

[adrenalytic]

Using omeprazole is the wrong answer. YES, it does lower stomach acid, BUT that means there is less acid available to properly digest your food. Better solution is to supplement with HCL tabs and dump the Omeprazole. Otherwise, over time you're putting yourself in a long-term bad situation. The weakened the sphincter is due to chronic reflux. Omeprazole treats the symptoms (like most pharmacological solutions), but does NOT address the underlying causes of the symptoms. Treat the cause, NOT the symptoms.

Actually, you're wrong.

Why Omeprazole is Superior

 

[Endeavor Fitness]

Ignore the dosing guidelines for Reta. Start low and only increase the dosage if you need to.

I agree with this, I use the "clinical trials" as a guideline, not as the rule. They base the trials on a subset of people, who are diabetics, morbidly obese, terrible fatty livers, etc..

 

[Mfras]

I agree with this, I use the "clinical trials" as a guideline, not as the rule. They base the trials on a subset of people, who are diabetics, morbidly obese, terrible fatty livers, etc..

Most lean bodybuilders I know (a handful not tons!) are on 2mg reta a week and figure it works in the background for metabolic health and maybe a hint of food noise to make their meal plan easy without having to forcefeed through a chemically induced lack of hunger.

I’ve been on reta since September. I’m cutting and also jumped on GH a couple months ago, so I use it to help with the cut and because the effects are supposed to help with GH blood sugar stuff. I started at 2mg a week pinned TF, and have since gone up to 4mg/week.

The testing seems to show diminishing returns over 8mg and for me on 4mg food noise is basically gone but hunger for good energy is still present.

Now that I have experience with a GLP I see what all the hype is about and it mostly seems to be used by genpop as a replacement for discipline. I lost almost 100lbs counting calories & macros and gained/retained muscle keeping my training volume high.

I’m not gonna say the reta doesn’t make it easier to just have a hot tea and go to bed instead of eating a bunch of wierd stuff at night, because it does, but it ain’t magic. And at higher doses the $cost to reward ratio would skew toward dropping it, although I do like the idea that it might help me not be fucking myself up with the GH.

 

[adrenalytic]

Most lean bodybuilders I know (a handful not tons!) are on 2mg reta a week and figure it works in the background for metabolic health and maybe a hint of food noise to make their meal plan easy without having to forcefeed through a chemically induced lack of hunger.

I’ve been on reta since September. I’m cutting and also jumped on GH a couple months ago, so I use it to help with the cut and because the effects are supposed to help with GH blood sugar stuff. I started at 2mg a week pinned TF, and have since gone up to 4mg/week.

The testing seems to show diminishing returns over 8mg and for me on 4mg food noise is basically gone but hunger for good energy is still present.

Now that I have experience with a GLP I see what all the hype is about and it mostly seems to be used by genpop as a replacement for discipline. I lost almost 100lbs counting calories & macros and gained/retained muscle keeping my training volume high.

I’m not gonna say the reta doesn’t make it easier to just have a hot tea and go to bed instead of eating a bunch of wierd stuff at night, because it does, but it ain’t magic. And at higher doses the $cost to reward ratio would skew toward dropping it, although I do like the idea that it might help me not be fucking myself up with the GH.

Honestly, the most useful thing about it from a BBing perspective is the increased insulin sensitivity and, to some degree, the mobilization of ectopic fats which tends to accumulate when you're pushing 5-6000 kcals a day.

One could even argue that the weaker hunger suppression (as compared to other GLP-1s) is a great reason to use it in a bulk.

 

[Endeavor Fitness]

Most lean bodybuilders I know (a handful not tons!) are on 2mg reta a week and figure it works in the background for metabolic health and maybe a hint of food noise to make their meal plan easy without having to forcefeed through a chemically induced lack of hunger.

I’ve been on reta since September. I’m cutting and also jumped on GH a couple months ago, so I use it to help with the cut and because the effects are supposed to help with GH blood sugar stuff. I started at 2mg a week pinned TF, and have since gone up to 4mg/week.

The testing seems to show diminishing returns over 8mg and for me on 4mg food noise is basically gone but hunger for good energy is still present.

Now that I have experience with a GLP I see what all the hype is about and it mostly seems to be used by genpop as a replacement for discipline. I lost almost 100lbs counting calories & macros and gained/retained muscle keeping my training volume high.

I’m not gonna say the reta doesn’t make it easier to just have a hot tea and go to bed instead of eating a bunch of wierd stuff at night, because it does, but it ain’t magic. And at higher doses the $cost to reward ratio would skew toward dropping it, although I do like the idea that it might help me not be fucking myself up with the GH.

Yeah, I started with 1 mg a week. Found out it worked great for myself (and others I was training), because we aren't fat and relatively lean. I'm up to 2 mg/week. I went as high as 4 mg, but I started losing too much too quick.

I like Reta because the food suppression isn't as great as Tirz, I can use it in a muscle building phase, of a leaning out phase. I like it better than Tirz, just because it keeps my muscle fuller, and it's more muscle sparing than the other GLP-1. Plus, my bloods are good on it, and it will offset some HGH and gear sides. It really is a Swiss army knife.