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Yeah I might have to do that, I wanted to test if it had the substance in it first and then send it over to a lab
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Yeah I might have to do that, I wanted to test if it had the substance in it first and then send it over to a lab
5millionbucks
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U could be right, but isn't there a slight chance he might be shilling fr Jano, or he is just super blinded by his trust. Or it could be that all the tests he sent to Jano turned out to be legit and others got burned.
Honestly man, if you have the available cash it's worth it. Getting lab testing done and sharing with Meso is never a bad thing.
5millionbucks
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I do have sme drol I got frm a sponsor on here I'm going to run it first next week, see how that goes. If I see significant changes compared to Hilma's I'm going to send both samples over to get it tested. Does W&M charge seperately fr 2 samples or can u send two diff samples together fr 1 cost?
Here is the raw, straight up deal with jano. I don't like him and wouldn't use his service ever, but I feel the way I feel and I am not going to lie about it based on not liking the guy. He can test anabolics just fine, that I trust. He can probably test GH just fine as well. The issue, as you know, is his trustworthiness. Not only has he been exposed for lying about testing, he has been exposed for providing different numbers for the same product. he ignores it like it didn't happen all the while putting the competition on blast for having issues even though they are 100% transparent and address the issues and make them right to the best of their ability.
That's enough for me.
I'm not sure how that would work with them. Hit him up, he's a nice fella.
janoshik
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Because it did not, dummy
So why is that being said? Can you dispute it with facts? Or are we just going to play a game of he said, she said?
Holidaypay
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I'm not a big fan of the testing kits but I understand the purpose if u find no active ingrediant for 25 bucks its worth it imo an if its active u can spend the extra few bucks for lab testing if u choose to stick with the product an I am a strong believer u can't go off of feels but imo 100 mg anadrol should have big strength increases I know I see a big difference at that dose
5millionbucks
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yeah I'm not running the pills no more; if someone is interested I will gladly sell the rest of mine to them if they think it is real. I am running some supposed drol that my bro gave me from 2012 where he got from fastmuscleco. I've started at 50mg since wednesday and literally lowered the dose on friday to 37.5mg cause it was just way to strong and bodyweight just creep'd up so fast. On top its making me hungry as fuck, and also it tested as dbol too so that probably makes sense.
janoshik
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A lot of things are being said and few of them describe reality.
You are shifting burden of proof on a claim onto me.
It is a fallacy of the same kind as saying god exists because you can't prove he doesn't.
If you were not intentionally trying to get a rise out of and waste my time, you would have gotten details in a thread where you were inquiring for the information.
But we are on a forum, there is never going to be anything else than he said she said. Unless you decide to visit me, in which case you will be welcome.
The thing you mentioned was an error of me during sample preparation that was explained already and supporting data were posted. From my side it was fixed the same day it happened.
Holidaypay
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Lol I feel the same tbh I feel as tho jano can do testing I wouldn't use him I don't trust him or like him on a personal level he seems like a shady arrogant asshole an did I mention I don't like him that being said I believe he can test things I'm just nt gna promote or do buisness with someone like him because I also believe that it is a matter of time before he pulls some shady shit again when he feels safe enough to get away with it...ps hey @janoshik fuck u an have a nice day
Den84
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Yes I trust jano, and I'll explain why. First of all I must say that the first sample I sent to jano was in December 2018. janoshik was here on the forum from April / May 2018. I waited 8 months to see if he was a reliable tester or not. After several observations, various blind samples sent by other users and guessed by jano, I took confidence in him. There were also identical samples that were sent first to jano and then to other testers and the results returned congruous. furthermore, only a fool can come on meso rx, say he can test blind samples, without being able to do so. would have lasted less than a month .. do you remember the tester from uk (chem clarity)? he was a scam, he didn't accept blind samples, so users started sending samples with the wrong molecule written, he gave results simply by reading the label on the sample and invented a random dosage.. his scam on ukmuscle had lasted less than a month.
Check the screenshot attached. Tren ace bm was tested before by jano (sent to him by steroaas) and then was tested by Chemtox (Sent to Chemtox by pharmasource). Please note that when Chemtox tested sampled as a sample discovered, they only look for one molecule (in this case tren A). instead jano detects all the molecules present, whether the sample is blind or whether the sample is discovered.
And check the blind sample of bold cyp pristine, sent by the same member before to jano and then to W&M.. identical result..
there is no reason to argue that jano is unable to test ... especially sending blind samples.
Holidaypay
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As a testing SOURCE the burden of proof of innocence is always on u just like a source has to prove there legit u have to prove ur not lying if called a liar also with ur past it would be a good idea to put to end any rumors surrounding you if possible imo
All of this...
Just to get to this...
What I want to know is why do you go after your competitions jugular when they have simple mistakes just like you do? Money is the answer as we both know, and we both know that you have more errors on your end other than this one specific case. You are human after, aren't you? I want as many reputable companies that offer real analysis services as possible, and that includes you as well provided you aren't scamming.
You do understand the crux here? Trust has been removed from your box of skill sets, despite your ability to test. Nobody else removed it but you. When discrepancies occur with you it's an obvious choice to cry scammer, maybe not correct, but either way it's what a large majority of people think.
Just to get to this...
What I want to know is why do you go after your competitions jugular when they have simple mistakes just like you do? Money is the answer as we both know, and we both know that you have more errors on your end other than this one specific case. You are human after, aren't you? I want as many reputable companies that offer real analysis services as possible, and that includes you as well provided you aren't scamming.
You do understand the crux here? Trust has been removed from your box of skill sets, despite your ability to test. Nobody else removed it but you. When discrepancies occur with you it's an obvious choice to cry scammer, maybe not correct, but either way it's what a large majority of people think.
I agree with you big man, I do. The ability is there, despite me being down on Jano thats one thing I've always said is that he can test. It's the person he is and how he operates that's the issue with me. You are obviously satisfied with him and I suggest you continue to use him. I just wish he would stop going after competition at every available opportunity when he himself fucks up. It's bad form but he doesn't care, which is telling. He isn't here to be a contributor, a member. He is here to take money from Meso. That's a fact that shouldnt be ignored. But yeah dude, its obvious he can test. Only a fool or troll would grandstand on that claim
janoshik
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I have claimed since the beginning that W&Ms AAS testing seems sound and I made posts supporting that, one, at the beginning "his chemist knows what he is doing" after I talked with him a bit and one just recently "stevonovs sample came back the same on bold cyp content for me."
Seems like going jugular to you?
I blew off on GH testing, because from the data I had I could assume malicious intent. You know, the kind of thing that literally everybody does with me the second they can.
Also it was not "he said she said", but I posted multiple data supporting that - directly out of W&Ms reports or supported by 3rd party facts. Maybe I was wrong and it was just a series of fuckups in row. We are all human after all, as you said.
While I raised some points and assumptions which could have been considered rude then, I was still keeping my manners, while @Weights & Measures outright insulted me. So much for going jugular.
Is there anything that is untrue written above?
So could you please elaborate the going jugular part?
Of course I do an I chose to live and deal with it, unlike many others.
I could have gotten a fancy new logo, get a reshipper in a different state, work on my PR and it would all be gone in the wind. Yet I did not.
Going after competition at every available opportunity...
I know I'll repeat myself, but that's a lie.
1. SIMEC failed at GH tests, everybody knows that, even SIMEC who doesn't do them anymore. I always said that according to my data SIMEC does AAS tests well. ChemClarity tried to run a campaign against Simec AAS testing (for now obvious reasons) and tried to get me into it as well in PMs, I refused and stated otherwise.
New Testing Company - ChemClarity.com
2. I recommend Lab4Tox to people regularly when they need accredited institution and work with them at times too.
3. I don't think I ever said a single bad word about Chemtox either.
4. I bashed Jims AAA testing. As did Analyzer, Doug and everybody who knows at least a tiny bit. Jim is a joke and so is anything he had ever attempted to do.
5. I was the first to figure out and bash EC, which was a scam based on OBJECTIVE data.
6. I bashed ChemClarity, since the start based on OBJECTIVE data.
7. W&M has his own section in the start of the post and anything negative about his work I ever said was based on OBJECTIVE data.
W&Ms previous account called it bad form when I called out Energy Control and I did not care. His 'good form' cost other people money and got fake made up data to them. You can keep your good form and I will keep my conscience.
I assume that telling people about discrepancies or scammers is a bad thing according to your opinion and providing objective information to members if not contributing.
I probably contribute the most when it helps my business.
Does that change facts somehow?
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Den84
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I agree with you, I do not approve of janoshik's behavior when he wants to give information about other testers. Even if his points may be true (I am not able to understand these things, because I have no idea how a laboratory analysis is done), his behavior sometimes makes him seem arrogant and unpleasant. I think that if a tester is not able to test, sooner or later it comes to the surface, but I believe that it must be the users who establish it, not a competitor. as a tester he is good, fast in providing the report and quick to respond to emails. He just needs to change his behavior, and stay more in his thread. after all, I don't think his behavior makes him increase his clients ... maybe the opposite happens.
off topic: clicking the chemclarity thread, shared by janoshick, I noticed only now that jano was on this forum since 2016, incredible that I noticed him only in April 2018 ... LOL
mercury
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You should be happy to have somebody like Janoshik to provide all the information.
The guy from UK Chem Clarity had been scamming for a year or longer with fake testing. Didn't you use his services ?
You could see it right away but it took bunch of boneheads long time to figure it out.
janoshik
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He is right though, while I provide information that nobody else might be capable of, my personality is terrible.
Den84
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Unfortunately people don’t trust in a tester Who give information about another tester, even if the information can be correct. in a forum like this, it's the end users who have to give reviews and information about the testers or sources. a source (in this case a tester) that gives information on another source, loses credibility. this is reality, and I think this is the jano problem. He would be much more respected on this forum if he had avoided comments on other testers. I'm talking for his sake, because he's a great tester, but his behavior hurts him especially.
Regarding chem clarity, the scam lasted much less than a year. I contacted them, and I was about to send a sample, but I didn't make it in time, the scam had already come up on the forums. lol
