Rumsfeld, what a PIG

greyowl

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So this is what he had to say at the hearings today:

"These events occurred on my watch. As Secretary of Defence, I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility."

Ok, so if you are accountable for your actions and take responsibility for them, then you accept a penalty when your actions turn sour. Wouldn't that mean he would resign? On no says he, I'm too important to the country to step down.

These acts have justifiably infuriated Iraqis and and you can bet dollars to donuts that American servicemen will pay for this problem with their lives. Any self-respecting public servant would take the hit and cash in his chips. But not tough-talking, God-fearing Rumsfeld. Basically what he's saying is that on one hand he accepts that he's accountable and responsible, but on the other he refuses to be held accountable and responsible. What a fucking hypocrite.

Is anybody out there fed up yet with these born-again, NeCon, upper-class superwarriors who send out young people to be slaughtered in the armpits of the earth for no apparent reason; and who insist that the most poor and vulnerable people in America are "accountable and responsible" for their own poverty - yet whom refuse to to pay the price when they themselves fuck up.

These are the same cowards like George W. Bush, who dodged the war in Vietnam and then paraded around thirty years later wearing the same flight jacket as guys who replaced him in the front lines and died as a result. Or mealy-mouthed, psalm-singing swine like Herr Von Rumsfeld, who quotes the bible at every turn and ignores all of its major injunctions in his public acts.
 
well, though I consider rumsfeld an enemy of the people with his slanted tone over the course of the iraq conflict (ie, how dare you question are decisions!), I think stepping down is not the right move. If he is sincere, then he should prosecute this issue with fervor and engineer a methodology that will prevent it from occuring in the future. To simply step down is to take a parachute out of a stricken airplane, he needs to get his tools out and fix the craft in mid-air so that it does not crash.
 
No that's what I'm talking about!!!!!!

Finally, a true voice of reason on this website! Thank you GrewOwl!!!!

To add one more quick item- the shit talking of John Kerry by "Dick" Cheney.... I was listening to the radio bastion of intelligence/ reason, NPR, and heard a clip of our dear vice president raging on Kerry regarding his positions on defense and talking crap about how John Kerry did not really deserve the SECOND Purple Heart he got during Vietnam. Can I just say, WHAT THE F*CK ?!?!?!? How dare a man who chickened out of going to war because mommy and daddy had enough connections to keep him off the draft list talk shit about someone who actually went?!?!?! What ever Kerry's reasons were for going to Vietnam (which I admit he now seems to be changing his reasons for why he went vs what he said in an interview back in the '70s), he still went! Cheney, nor our lack luster president, have any foot to stand on in commenting about Kerry's commitment to his country during a time of war. Shit, Kerry put his life on the line in Vietnam, while Bush and Cheney went to dinner parties with mommy and daddy. All Bush and Cheney have done is to put young men and women's lives on the line (both now in Iraq, and back then, during Vietnam, by not accepting their duty and going into war), and for what? All the reasons they gave for invading Iraq (WMD bull shit) have all changed since the beginning. Can we say MONEY!!!!!!

I pray to any and all higher beings that Bush/ Cheney be kicked out of the White House!!!!!! They truely DO NOT deserve a second term!
 
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Bob Smith said:
LOL! Youre kidding, right?

Um, Nope! I am a card carrying democrat/ liberal and damn proud of it! Just please don't tell me you think Rush's show is of any intellectual worth!

I am not meaning to be too argumentative, nor take away from the purpose of this tread, but what other radio station (other than NPR) has as good a coverage, and as intelligent a commentary, on world/ national/ local news? I would be more than happy to listen to it and give you my assessment.
 
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stupid question here,,, but are there actually cards you guys carry around that say "Im a democrat",, or is it just a figure of speech?
 
la_triathlete said:
Um, Nope! I am a card carrying democrat/ liberal and damn proud of it! Just please don't tell me you think Rush's show is of any intellectual worth!
I think that all radio shows/formats are inherently biased one way or the other. Rush is very up front about his bias. NPR is pretty heavily biased towards the left, but not upfront about it. It really would be nice if there was a station that truly was moderate or non-biased.

Personally, I like the format of NPR better than typical talk shows like Rush. I like that they do provide more news rather than commentary (usually) and mud-slinging.
 
Hogg said:
Doctoral candidate as well....

Wow Hogg, you just outed me! I get the feeling I know what some of our conversations will be focused on tomorrow. I better get ready for a serious discussion on some current issues. Ill be doing my homework tonight.
 
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Bob Smith said:
I think that all radio shows/formats are inherently biased one way or the other. Rush is very up front about his bias. NPR is pretty heavily biased towards the left, but not upfront about it. It really would be nice if there was a station that truly was moderate or non-biased.

Personally, I like the format of NPR better than typical talk shows like Rush. I like that they do provide more news rather than commentary (usually) and mud-slinging.

I too enjoy the format of NPR more than any other radio station. NPR does lean left, but that's OK with me.

I agree with you about the inherent biases in the presentation of new stories. However, I do find it interesting that everyone is ALWAYS talking about the liberal media. In my opinion, the media is definitely more right-of-center than left-of-center, and certainly NOT liberal the way the conservative/ republican machine decries.
 
Hogg said:
LOL.....oh no! DEMOCRAT?????? (sigh) maybe we better just talk about training instead :D

Oh come one big guy..... I don't think all republicans are bad. A bit misinformed, but not bad. LOL! Please, your an extremely intelligent guy yourself. I'm sure you will have no problems finding holes in my arguements.

But I agree, training might be an easier topic to start off with..... :D
 
la_triathlete said:
Oh come one big guy..... I don't think all republicans are bad. A bit misinformed, but not bad. LOL! Please, your an extremely intelligent guy yourself. I'm sure you will have no problems finding holes in my arguements.

But I agree, training might be an easier topic to start off with..... :D


Starting to sound a bit like four play fellas,, :D
 
Hogg said:
LOL....and you're not 5-2 with tits and highlighted hair either pal :D

Well, when I go out in drag, I actually do have tits and highlighted hair, but I'm 5'9, so I guess I'm still not your type. LOL!!!!

(OK, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I DON'T DO DRAG!)
 
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