Running high test prior to starting full cycle to extend bulk?

[mrsloppyboo]

I’m waiting for my EQ, and HGH to arrive. They should be here in 6 weeks. My cycle is going to be 1.25g test, 900eq, 600tren, 8-10iu HGH, and Novolin R starting on week 6. I’ll be running this for 24 weeks.

Would there be any benefit to running 750mg test and possibly 300tren weeks 1-10 and weeks 6-10 starting HGH and ramping up the dose? Then starting the full cycle week 11. Or would I be better off just waiting until it all gets here to start? Either way I’d be waiting 6 weeks for my shit to arrive.

I’m thinking of ways to extend this off season and grow as much as possible. I’ve always just picked a dose for each compound from the start and never have done something like this and wanted your guys opinions.

Is 34 weeks of bulking too long? How do I still manage to grow past week 20/24 when growth usually stalls? Thanks!

 

[TurboJet]

Stats?

It's better if you post your stats instead of expecting folks to look up where you're at from old posts...

And for God's sake use paragraphs...

 

[TurboJet]

If you don't feel like reposting your stats and trying to feed forum members a dry block of estrogen filled tofu word salad I'd say 700mg Tren E every 3.5 days with a solid 4g test base then start adding extra compounds. 50mg Var ED, 200TNE pre workout, 40 Halo, 120mg Adderall and 4,787mg caffeine pre-work out.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

If you don't feel like reposting your stats and trying to feed forum members a dry block of estrogen filled tofu word salad I'd say 700mg Tren E every 3.5 days with a solid 4g test base then start adding extra compounds. 50mg Var ED, 200TNE pre workout, 40 Halo, 120mg Adderall and 4,787mg caffeine pre-work out.

My bad brother I forgot after editing my paragraphs lol. I’m small. I want to reach open size. 5’8 169lbs 8% bf (according to calipers this morning). This is third cycle. I know it’s a lot and more than I “need”

 

[TurboJet]

My bad brother I forgot after editing my paragraphs lol. I’m small. I want to reach open size. 5’8 169lbs 8% bf (according to calipers this morning). This is third cycle. I know it’s a lot and more than I “need”

All good man just busting your chops! What's your age and last bloods?

ETA I'm 5'9" and stay around 195-205 at 12-15% BF but I've been on cruise a year now and eat however I want.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

All good man just busting your chops! What's your age and last bloods?

I’m 24. My bloods look great. Last cycle (750 test 600 deca btw I hate deca that’s why tren) was kinda botched due to some unrelated health issues on week 16 and I lost 20lbs in 4 weeks and had no opportunity to hold onto the mass I had built so I’m sure I lost some tissue.

I got bloods done at the ER at the end of that cycle for free lol they did me a favor, and everything was fine except liver enzymes were slightly elevated but that’s to be expected. I’ve been cruising and cutting for 9 weeks now on 200 test.

Prior to the health issues I was 205lbs 17% body fat, full, and strong as fuck.

Edit: paragraphs and also last bloods were a few days ago (I’m finishing my cut on 350tren 200test only ran the tren for 3 weeks bc pushing the deficit extremely hard last 3 weeks)

 

[TurboJet]

Damn I'm getting old....

That's too young to be having major health issues unless you wrecked a motorcycle or got shot by a husband/father pulling a sportsman's double

20lbs dropped at a hat was water weight and such, just fluff.

400-500 Test weekly and for me some Primo 200-300 and EAT!

You'll grow some quality muscle mass and it won't fall off in a month when you quit blasting.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Damn I'm getting old....

That's too young to be having major health issues unless you wrecked a motorcycle or got shot by a husband/father pulling a sportsman's double

20lbs dropped at a hat was water weight and such, just fluff.

400-500 Test weekly and for me some Primo 200-300 and EAT!

You'll grow some quality muscle mass and it won't fall off in a month when you quit blasting.

Do you think running testosterone prior to adding in other compounds is a good way to extend a growth phase?

Even if I were pushing lower amount like you said, say 300 test for the first 10 weeks then add in primo and up the test to 500 for an additional 24 weeks? Pushing the growth phase to 34 weeks

If I did this how could I keep pushing gains past weeks 20-24 when gains typically stall? Would the change in dose on week 11 counteract the growth stalling?

 

[TurboJet]

Do you think running testosterone prior to adding in other compounds is a good way to extend a growth phase?

Even if I were pushing lower amount like you said, say 300 test for the first 10 weeks then add in primo and up the test to 500 for an additional 24 weeks? Pushing the growth phase to 34 weeks

If I did this how could I keep pushing gains past weeks 20-24 when gains typically stall? Would the change in dose on week 11 counteract the growth stalling?

Alright my pencil is a little dull but let me give it a shot.

First off, I'm almost 40 and my prescription TRT is 400 Test Cyp a week...

I don't want anymore crotch fruit so PTC isn't a thing for me.

You're 24 FUCK going near insulin and all that extra shit unless you plan on hitting the stage and that's the lifestyle you're choosing to live for good, bad, or worse.

You're pumping a lot of shit into your body and maxing out your system while crashing other parts.

If you just want to be a mass monster the high fluid retention compounds and aesthetics it brings might be your thing.

I climb towers and shit for work, skydive on the weekends, and trick fuck for fun.

34 weeks so 8.5 months so,

8 weeks 400 Test Cyp twice weekly.

Get blood work! Numbers looking good maintain this dose and a PROPER DIET until you actually start to stall.

If you're doing your part in training and diet you might be at a plateau week 12 or so, bump the Test up to 600.

Let your diet grow with you. Week 16 blood work! We're only half way there.... Hopefully you haven't had a need for an AI yet.

Maintain weeks 16-24 supporting your growth with good diet and exercise program. If you're not needing AI and feel you are slowing down.

(1) titrate up to 800 but now estrogen levels will probably be showing some effects. (This ain't bad it's normal.)

OR

(2) Time to bring in the Pimp hand Primo. It's a miracle drug for me personally.

Run Test Cyp and Primo at a 2:1 ratio or a 1:1 (pay attention to your body and your blood work.) 600 Test/300-400 Primo is a pretty good spot in my opinion.

Run this on thru the end and maybe * add some Var if you feel you need it (I don't fuck with orals)

Remember we're building quality not quantity.

Don't go balls deep in a bunch of questionable peptides and shit, stick to the basics and save the growth and slin for when you're old and clapped out like me.

Dial in and stay locked in!

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Alright my pencil is a little dull but let me give it a shot.

First off, I'm almost 40 and my prescription TRT is 400 Test Cyp a week...

I don't want anymore crotch fruit so PTC isn't a thing for me.

You're 24 FUCK going near insulin and all that extra shit unless you plan on hitting the stage and that's the lifestyle you're choosing to live for good, bad, or worse.

You're pumping a lot of shit into your body and maxing out your system while crashing other parts.

If you just want to be a mass monster the high fluid retention compounds and aesthetics it brings might be your thing.

I climb towers and shit for work, skydive on the weekends, and trick fuck for fun.

34 weeks so 8.5 months so,

8 weeks 400 Test Cyp twice weekly.

Get blood work! Numbers looking good maintain this dose and a PROPER DIET until you actually start to stall.

If you're doing your part in training and diet you might be at a plateau week 12 or so, bump the Test up to 600.

Let your diet grow with you. Week 16 blood work! We're only half way there.... Hopefully you haven't had a need for an AI yet.

Maintain weeks 16-24 supporting your growth with good diet and exercise program. If you're not needing AI and feel you are slowing down.

(1) titrate up to 800 but now estrogen levels will probably be showing some effects. (This ain't bad it's normal.)

OR

(2) Time to bring in the Pimp hand Primo. It's a miracle drug for me personally.

Run Test Cyp and Primo at a 2:1 ratio or a 1:1 (pay attention to your body and your blood work.) 600 Test/300-400 Primo is a pretty good spot in my opinion.

Run this on thru the end and maybe * add some Var if you feel you need it (I don't fuck with orals)

Remember we're building quality not quantity.

Don't go balls deep in a bunch of questionable peptides and shit, stick to the basics and save the growth and slin for when you're old and clapped out like me.

Dial in and stay locked in!

Thanks for the response man I appreciate the write up. Personally I love the look I get with the water retention. In my eyes bigger is better as long as it’s not fat lol.

I’m dedicated to blasting and cruising for life. Being an open pro has been my dream for years now I’ll do anything to get there. Naturally I have low test so even if I’m not running anabolics there’s no way in hell I’m ever going off TRT.

I always wondered why I struggled progressing naturally when I put everything into my training and diet and my friends would pass me in progression after even a couple months compared to my 4 natural years of training. Basically wasted 4 years of training to look like I barely lift, however I did gain a lot of knowledge.

instead of primo I have eq as the primo situation prevented me from getting my hands on it. Would it be smart to run the test 10 weeks then add the eq?

Only reason I ask is I am set on running eq and also because eq takes quite a while to saturate so wanted to hear your thoughts

I need no AI even at 750 test 600 deca. I have high e2 obviously, but I personally like having my estrogen on the higher end. I like the look and honestly have no issues with it

 

[TurboJet]

You didn't waste 4 years....

That's all part of learning yourself, good discipline, and work ethics.

It's just time for the next step that's all.

It's a marathon not a sprint and you got this!

While I haven't used EQ it should be an acceptable substitute for Primo from what I read and I'll be running it this year sometime.

I'd run Test alone as long as possible but 12-16 weeks would be a good place to add it.

I never understood the short little 10-12 week cycles that's just long enough to get in the groove in my opinion.

As long as you're not getting gyno or other sides higher estrogen isn't a bad thing, I've crashed out my estrogen once and it sucked!