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master.on
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If their theory works so great why aren't they jacked?
Eman
Master
Why isn't Milos Sarcev jacked?
That's your question?
Did your mom drop you on your head or did she throw you on your head?
Amen!!! What a straight up dumb ass!
By the way, I have talked with Milos about his training services (I haven't watched this video, yet). I believe he was $5,000 for 3 months...
Eman
Master
I would have thrown him harder... Child abuse is a terrible thing, but I just realized that it's justified sometimes lol.
Gawwd damn...
I've seen some of his athletes though. I imagine some of these top level guys are definitely expensive. Haney Rambod, Neil Hill, etc... They are producing champion athletes.
Yeah, he kept referring to himself as "the guru of hormones" and I was put off entirely... I'm sure he knows some shit, but HOW much more can he actually offer that hasn't more or less become public knowledge?
Cmon bro. You got dis
Check plz!
bigpoppachump
New Member
I was eating a wonderful hot dog with kraut and laughed choked, and blew the kraft all over my car when I read that lolol
Makes me really think lantus as a base, and humalog pre workout is the best protocol...
Eman
Master
That does kind of seem to be the takeaway... But, you know how I feel about lantus.
Makes sense from Dave's perspective regarding the prolonged insulin desensitization from high exo. Gh usage, though. Nothing crazy, like 15iu lantus / day and ~8iu humalog pre workout... This only makes sense, IMO, for high level, multiple shot, GH usage.
Dave saying you don't absorb nutrients while you workout shows how outdated his info is, by the way:
Abstract
A number of physiological events including the level of contractile activity, nutrient status, and hormonal action influence the magnitude of exercise-induced skeletal muscle growth. However, it is not the independent action of a single mechanism, but the complex interaction between events that enhance the long-term adaptations to resistance training. The purpose of the present investigation was to examine the influence of liquid carbohydrate (CHO) and essential amino acid (EAA) ingestion during resistance exercise and modification of the immediate hormonal response on myofibrillar protein degradation as assessed by 3-methylhistidine (3-MH) excretion. After a 4-hour fast, 32 untrained young men (18-29 years) performed a single bout of resistance exercise (complete body; 3 setsx10 repetitions at 75% of 1-repetition maximum; 1-minute rest between sets), during which they consumed a 6% CHO (n=8) solution, a 6-g EAA (n=8) mixture, a combined CHO+EAA (n=8) supplement, or placebo (PLA; n=8) beverage. Resistance exercise performed in conjunction with CHO and CHO+EAA ingestion resulted in significantly elevated (P<.001) glucose and insulin concentrations above baseline, whereas EAA ingestion only increased the postexercise insulin response (P<.05). Time matched at 60 minutes, the PLA group exhibited a peak cortisol increase of 105% (P<.001) with no significant change in glucose or insulin concentrations. Conversely, the CHO and CHO+EAA groups displayed a decrease in cortisol levels of 11% and 7%, respectively. Coinciding with these hormonal response patterns were significant differences in myofibrillar protein degradation. Ingestion of the EAA and CHO treatments attenuated 3-MH excretion 48 hours after the exercise bout. Moreover, this response was synergistically potentiated when the 2 treatments were combined, with CHO+EAA ingestion resulting in a 27% reduction (P<.01) in 3-MH excretion. In contrast, the PLA group displayed a 56% increase (P<.01) in 3-MH excretion. These data demonstrate that not only does CHO and EAA ingestion during the exercise bout suppress exercise-induced cortisol release; the stimulatory effect of resistance exercise on myofibrillar protein degradation can be attenuated, most dramatically when the treatments are combined (CHO+EAA). Through an "anticatabolic effect," this altered balance may better favor the conservation of myofibrillar protein.
Liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion during a short-term bout of resistance exercise suppresses myofibrillar protein degradation. Available from: Liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion during a short-term bout of resistance exercise suppresses myofibrillar protein degradation [accessed Nov 03 2017].
I've told you for a while now that he has some outdated or misinformation(clen use for one) on more than one thing. As we all do at times.
Dave also just recently was talking about this on #askdave because someone asked the question about intra-workout supplements. And he still took the stance he did years ago.
He also stated in the @askdave not to use humalog pre workout. Only morning I believe.
mands
Well, you wouldn't wanna use humalog pre workout if you didn't use intra workout nutrition, lol... So he is right, in a sense... But, not using intra workout nutrition is goofy. If you look at the above info I posted, you'd be silly to not consider using carbs and EAAs intra workout... Reduction of cortisol and increase in muscle protein synthesis sure is enough for me to pay attention.... Add in amino and other nutrient shuttling from exogenous insulin? Woo baby!
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Be careful how you apply that study from above bc it's not saying exactly what you think it says.
What I mean is yes the carb and EAA group reduced cortisol and increased MPS but not bc it was intraworkout nutrition. If you notice, the control group received a placebo and all groups had been fasted for 4 hours. This speaks more about any nutrition around the training time is better than no nutrition and not necessarily intraworkout specifically.
Also, be careful not to confuse acute differences with chronic, long term changes.
A rough example of this being, that the more catabolic you go between meals, the more anabolic you'll become at your next meal. The acute changes in catabolism don't amount to much bc the body compensates later at the next meal.
Another example would be weight loss changes in two weeks between a keto/low carb diet and med/high carb diet. In the acute setting, 2wk timeframe, there will be more weight loss in the keto group bc of what we now know to be glycogen and water loss. Over the long term though there are no significant far loss differences between groups.
Hey I'm reading this more and look at it a little closer. The groups were fasting beforehand by 4 hours. I believe there is some correlation but, it's kinda iffy.
Also, look at the weight loss changes. You have to look at overall timing of measurements.
Edit: Bastard... Someone meathead @Docd187123 replied a little better understanding than I did.
mands
