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Quick update, if you plan on purifying liquid raws, its a pain in the ass ! In ethanol, they crystallized but it turns into a giant snowball and traps all the ethanol inside, alone with any contaminants. I tried acetone, which worked better, got nicer crystals. But worked the best was hexane. All the oils stay suspended in the solvent (excess hexane can be dobbed off when cold), and the test E formed a nice waxy crystal at the bottom when put in the deep freezer. Hexane is some nasty shit though, this is gonna need alot of extra time in the vacuum chamber! Maybe even an ethanol final wash...
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Good info ! What vacuum chamber do you use ?
I got this one
VTG VOGTEN Vacuum Chamber Amazon.com
Not too expensive and it works well. Just be careful to always close the valve going to the vacuum pump before you shut it off. If not it can suck oil from the compressor back into the chamber. I know first hand ! Lol
So an oil less vacuum is not needed?
Nope, not with that one, its setup for the oring connections of a hvac style pump. Luckily I have two at my house. Those things pull a serious vacuum...
I dont think an Oil less pump would pull a deep enough vacuum anyways. The one is use for filtering my oils only pulls about 25inhg (Futchoy Vacuum Pump Amazon.com), Ethanol won't start boiling till about 28inhg unless you add some heat. The oiled vacuum pumps will pull down into the micron range
IndividualMan
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getting the ethanol out requires some finesse, I used one of those old vacuum pumps at uni + heating to room temp+15°C, put in freezer to crash it out, ground it up with mortar and pestle, mixed it around, and repeated 4 times for my T cyp, until ethanol was all pulled out (until smell was gone + 1 extra) I feel like extra temp is a lifesaver for getting ethanol out of stuff.
I would not use acetone or hexane, because I would be concerned for residue being caught in the API despite multiple washes. no hexane injects for me, no thanks
I would not use acetone or hexane, because I would be concerned for residue being caught in the API despite multiple washes. no hexane injects for me, no thanks
Crystals are continuing to grow in the hexane, as Bob Ross would say "happy little raws!". Time for lots of drying and vacuuming after i dobb off the excess cold hexane. The hexane deff removed all the yellow color, everything is pure white. Ill post some pics once I get them dried out and solidified. Grok has been great with feedback and seaching through research paper. It looks like big pharma uses ethanol for recystalization but then adds water as polar anti solvant to reduce the ethanol solubility. Ill be giving that a try on the next batch
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I agree, it's some nasty shit. If these liquid raws done solidify, im gonna redo it with a ethanol/water combo
To grind up my test cyp raws after recrystalization and initial drying, I bought a single serve ninja cup and blades for my mixer and processed them for a minute or two. Deff helped break them open to get the ethanol out. Threw it away afterwards but it was a pain to brush out all the powder from the cup crevices. Deff racked up some product loses on that idea but it worked to fair degree.
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Quick update, for the test e raws recrystalized in hexane, instead of heating them up to draw off the solvent. I threw them into the vacuum chamber straight from the deep freezer after dobbing off the excess solvent beforehand. That made all the difference. Instead of it turning into a syrup consistency, the hexane boiled off and the dried raws were left behind. I stopped the vacuum every hour to chop/smash the raws up and after about 4 hours they were dry as a bone and made beautiful white powder. This is alot different than typical yellow waxy liquid test e raws we are use to receiving. Im guessing the hexane chanced the crystal structure. I checked the melting point in my 3d printer (very precise bed temp control) and it melted exactly at 34C. Even though they are very dry, I still dont trust the hexane. I threw them back in the freezer and I plan to do a few cold washes with ethanol to remove any residual solvents. Pretty happy with the results. The next batch will be done in a similar manner but with ethanol and water. Recovery was about 80%
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IndividualMan
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It makes me very happy that this thread isn't dead.
Once i start ordering larger amounts of raws again I will definitely do this with some test E to see if I can maybe unpip it this way.
Once i start ordering larger amounts of raws again I will definitely do this with some test E to see if I can maybe unpip it this way.
100%. My raws were so contaminated I figured I would hop on the science experiment instead of throwing them away, glad I did! Give it a whirl man. Im excited to see what the Janoshik testing shows before and after when im done
IndividualMan
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already did some cyp earlier this summer.
Also tried esterfying proviron (enanthate) but had a little hiccup and decided it wasnt worth it as I was seeing most of my friends who tried proviron get caught by the norwood reaper.
I want to try it with Liquid raws (EQ probably, it is cheap enough to play around with) at some point, that could be a fun challenge.
dinfar1337
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make sure to get all the solvents out of it. im pretty sure even the author of this thread was caught with solvents in his stuff, although he fixed quite fast
For sure, if you ever do keep us updated. All the raw testing i see for EQ lately has been 90% or lower purity . So it might be a fun experiment. I'd love to see someone do this with the shitty yellow NPP raws...
Well done Sir. Thank you for sharing your results. Fantastic.
https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?ID=C110543&Mask=4&Type=ANTOINE&Plot=on#ANTOINE
Hope you are doing well Walter. The thread lives on.
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