Second day here question

[Member Zero]

Hello. This is my second day here. Already have some hits on my profile so that’s good.

I would like to do my first cycle. Should I try testosterone cypionate or enanthate ?

Can someone be willing to take me under their wing and give me all the dos and donts to a first cycle ? Thanks

 

[Joeblack]

Hello. This is my second day here. Already have some hits on my profile so that’s good.

I would like to do my first cycle. Should I try testosterone cypionate or enanthate ?

Can someone be willing to take me under their wing and give me all the dos and donts to a first cycle ? Thanks

Cyp or enan really doesn't matter. About the same halflife and all. I just like enanth better ( no reason really .)

Just read and learn. Ask questions and so on.

What's your age and years training?

 

[Member Zero]

Cyp or enan really doesn't matter. About the same halflife and all. I just like enanth better ( no reason really .)

Just read and learn. Ask questions and so on.

What's your age and years training?

5 years of training. I’m 39 now.

Training is ok, could be better. That’s why I’m looking for an edge with trying testosterone.

I saw the website is offering free vial of testosterone for first 20 comments ? Should I comment and ask for cypionate or enanthate?Thanks

 

[Mongo966]

all the dos and donts to a first cycle ? Thanks

You've come to the right website. All of the information you'll need is right here.

 

[Member Zero]

I’m going to research so much here so when it’s time for me to finally try a cycle I will know what to do and what to expect. This is awesome

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Enth gives some guys pip, I don't care which one I use now. Start low and work up, don't be a fool and blast out of the gate

 

[Muscles’]

Enth gives some guys pip, I don't care which one I use now. Start low and work up, don't be a fool and blast out of the gate

Definitely some great advice you’re giving him.

I’ve seen countless comments of members who recommend 500mg for first cycle.

In my opinion that’s just not smart at all. I’d recommend somewhere in the 200-250 range for a first cycle , they would be able to get the feel for injecting, using needles and alcohol wipes, would understand if they need an AI depending on any side effects. Then next cycle they could up it to 500mg.

What’s your thoughts on that?

 

[Joeblack]

First cycle 300 to 500mg test cyp or enan. Have clomid and anti e on deck. 12 weeks. Bam. Done.

First get your training right. Good YouTube change are. Jeff nippard. Milo wolf. Biolayne

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Definitely some great advice you’re giving him.

I’ve seen countless comments of members who recommend 500mg for first cycle.

In my opinion that’s just not smart at all. I’d recommend somewhere in the 200-250 range for a first cycle , they would be able to get the feel for injecting, using needles and alcohol wipes, would understand if they need an AI depending on any side effects. Then next cycle they could up it to 500mg.

What’s your thoughts on that?

Best to start in the 250mg range IMO. Less is more for me. I'm diced with 300mg a week, as I'm a responder. Not everyone is and some guys gets Crazy bad sides which as a newb suck to deal with.
Have AI ready
Have Dr ready for bloods
Have all the reading done
Have PCT on hand

Be smRt don't be retRd

 

[iris]

Is there any reason why nobody is mentioning bloodwork to establish baseline?

I would think that's the thing to do before considering the rest.

I will stand corrected, though.

 

[SBD1]

500 test e with a Dbol kick start. It’s only fair

 

[Muscles’]

I still see two members trying to sneak in the number “500” as a starting cycle.

It’s just not really smart to start there as a first cycle for someone who’s never used test before.

Can someone tell me where the obsession with first cycle has to be 500mg came from ?

 

[lukiss96]

Can someone tell me where the obsession with first cycle has to be 500mg came from ?

Not to deny the power of 500 or more Test. I believe this comes from logic that if say you are below average responder that half gram will still work regardless or something like that.

It's hard to establish your personal best dose without experimenting first, but yes I think starting lower like 250mg and adjusting from there on to 375mg and if necessary then to 500mg. Second cycle is more obvious you use 375-750mg depending on how well you responded.

For me the best T dose is 350mg/week more or less. Although it took me years to find out. My first cycle was not an example as it was 600mg/week of T + Dbol. It worked but I had age advantage and years of natural training and dieting under my belt. I could have done half that and got similar results, without all those side effects. Just that.

 

[Eddie.]

I still see two members trying to sneak in the number “500” as a starting cycle.

It’s just not really smart to start there as a first cycle for someone who’s never used test before.

Can someone tell me where the obsession with first cycle has to be 500mg came from ?

250 is like TRT+ for me, regarding TT level. What's the point of shutting down my own axis to just be 200-300 ng/dl higher than normal?

For a cycle with a given duration which is followed by a PCT it requires a substantial amount of supraphysiological levels to achieve some anabolism in those 12 or 16 weeks. IMO 500mg is good, just to make sure an aromatase inhibitor will be administered along because on 500 especially for newbies there's no way e2 won't go skyhigh.

250 (or even 200) is a good place to start if your intention is to be on gear forever.

OP, if you decide to get on gear be 100% sure you have on hand ALL the necessary stuff. From adequate amount of Test, an aromatase inhibitor, needles and alcohol swabs AND your PCT meds. Take them before you start because if there's any reason you'll be forced to stop sooner it's wise to not search the last minute.

Also, bloodwork before, during and after cycle.

 

[Nidus]

Not to deny the power of 500 or more Test. I believe this comes from logic that if say you are below average responder that half gram will still work regardless or something like that.

It's hard to establish your personal best dose without experimenting first, but yes I think starting lower like 250mg and adjusting from there on to 375mg and if necessary then to 500mg. Second cycle is more obvious you use 375-750mg depending on how well you responded.

For me the best T dose is 350mg/week more or less. Although it took me years to find out. My first cycle was not an example as it was 600mg/week of T + Dbol. It worked but I had age advantage and years of natural training and dieting under my belt. I could have done half that and got similar results, without all those side effects. Just that.

Totally agree. 350 Test, a bit of Primo and it you can work with that for at least a year before changing doses. Can add GH, maybe an occasional tab of anavar but thats it. That has been my strategy for the past 2 years and it still works. All i ever do is increase food intake and continue growing.

 

[Eddie.]

Totally agree. 350 Test, a bit of Primo and it you can work with that for at least a year before changing doses. Can add GH, maybe an occasional tab of anavar but thats it. That has been my strategy for the past 2 years and it still works. All i ever do is increase food intake and continue growing.

He's asking for a cycle, not being perma on gear. Cycle means like 12-16 weeks most often.

 

[Muscles’]

One cycle of 500mg 12-16 weeks first time ever does more harm than good imo

Half the time they don’t even take ais, get gyno and acne and never touch test again.

Thats why I suggest 250mg for 8 weeks. See how they feel. Use ai on injection day only. Etc.

Take 4 weeks off. Then go higher for their first “real cycle”

 

[Eddie.]

One cycle of 500mg 12-16 weeks first time ever does more harm than good imo

Half the time they don’t even take ais, get gyno and acne and never touch test again.

Thats why I suggest 250mg for 8 weeks. See how they feel. Use ai on injection day only. Etc.

Take 4 weeks off. Then go higher for their first “real cycle”

Well, if they're dumb enough to not follow the correct steps you can't blame the 500mg but the user.

Also 4 weeks off it's not a thing, ever. You just allow a mini crash to your system which does no good at all. You either get off with a PCT with the requirement you'll stay off for at least 3-6 months or you don't come off at all.

 

[Muscles’]

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Also 4 weeks off it's not a thing, ever. You just allow a mini crash to your system which does no good at all. .

I don’t believe in that, not for 250mg test first time for only 8 weeks.

 

[SBD1]

I still see two members trying to sneak in the number “500” as a starting cycle.

It’s just not really smart to start there as a first cycle for someone who’s never used test before.

Can someone tell me where the obsession with first cycle has to be 500mg came from ?

It’s a meme and I’m also tired of seeing everyone microdose