Self TRT dropped ai bw results no libido

[ScruffMcBuff]

Figured I’d start a new thread. I’ve had many recommend I drop AI and just treat if I have any symptoms. Here is my latest results on self trt 150mg cyp a week with dropping adex. I have little to no libido and no morning wood for as long as I can remember. Any recommendations greatly appreciated. I took my total, free, E2, and shbg this time.

 

[M@NU]

Figured I’d start a new thread. I’ve had many recommend I drop AI and just treat if I have any symptoms. Here is my latest results on self trt 150mg cyp a week with dropping adex. I have little to no libido and no morning wood for as long as I can remember. Any recommendations greatly appreciated. I took my total, free, E2, and shbg this time.

you sure its no mental thing?
libido has a lot to do with psyche etc.
blood work doesnt look horrible, your SHBG is very low but i wouldnt see a negative connection between SHBG and Libido

 

[Gbro]

That e2 looks pretty high to me

 

[Monkipalo]

How much do you masturbate and watch porn?

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

How much do you masturbate and watch porn?

Barely the past few weeks honestly. No desire

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

you sure its no mental thing?
libido has a lot to do with psyche etc.
blood work doesnt look horrible, your SHBG is very low but i wouldnt see a negative connection between SHBG and Libido

Positive. I know I felt my best when I was taking adex this past summer but then out of nowhere libido crashed so I figured maybe I was taking too much .5 twice a week. It’s been frustrating to get back to feeling how I was

 

[D Rogers]

The E2 of 96 is way too high bro. Part of that is due to your low SHBG, but to me it looks like you are one of those who needs an AI. Don't fall for the hype. The Medical community administers AI to men, does the manosphere and reddit really know more than doctors?

I use the same blood test and results scale as you, and on my cruise dose (200mg/wk), when I am between 28-42 pg/mL E2 I feel fine. Over mid 40s is when I start to lose libido and become bitchy.

I would take .25 asin twice a week and retest in 3 weeks.

Finally, the crushed SHBG might be presenting a dual problem for you: increasing your aromatization rate and also reducing your libido. As far as I know, crushed SHBG can impact libido. I assume you are coming off a long cycle, or is your SHBG always this low even after TRT for months?

So your current situation, I would take .25 asin twice a week and retest in 3 weeks. Keep testing every 3 weeks, because as your SHBG rises from coming off what I presume is a long cycle, your asin dose requirement may drop.

This is just what I would do. I am not a doctor. I am an economist. Good luck

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

The E2 of 96 is way too high bro. Part of that is due to your low SHBG, but to me it looks like you are one of those who needs an AI. Don't fall for the hype. The Medical community administers AI to men, does the manosphere and reddit really know more than doctors?

I use the same blood test and results scale as you, and on my cruise dose (200mg/wk), when I am between 28-42 pg/mL E2 I feel fine. Over mid 40s is when I start to lose libido and become bitchy.

I would take .25 asin twice a week and retest in 3 weeks.

Finally, the crushed SHBG might be presenting a dual problem for you: increasing your aromatization rate and also reducing your libido. As far as I know, crushed SHBG can impact libido. I assume you are coming off a long cycle, or is your SHBG always this low even after TRT for months?

So your current situation, I would take .25 asin twice a week and retest in 3 weeks. Keep testing every 3 weeks, because as your SHBG rises from coming off what I presume is a long cycle, your asin dose requirement may drop.

This is just what I would do. I am not a doctor. I am an economist. Good luck

Appreciate your response. I’ve been on trt for the long haul. Haven’t taken a cycle in a long time to be honest. I don’t have asin on hand unfortunately but I do have adex. Any recommendation on adex dose?

 

[D Rogers]

Appreciate your response. I’ve been on trt for the long haul. Haven’t taken a cycle in a long time to be honest. I don’t have asin on hand unfortunately but I do have adex. Any recommendation on adex dose?

Well, one additional thing to consider is dosing frequency. If you're on cyp, make sure you're dosing at least E3.5D if not EOD. This might help with estro and SHBG a little.

Hmm, I found Adex to be more touchy than asin. I had a harder time dialing in my adex dose, which is why I switched. I found it to be slightly more powerful than asin pill for pill, equating 1 asin pill (25mg) to 1 adex pill (1mg).

That said, I would still recommend take a quarter pill of adex (.25mg) twice a week and retest in three weeks. 96 Estro is really high, so you have quite some room to go before you crash yourself if the dose is too high, so abolutely take bloods in 3 weeks for sure.

When you split the pills, I'd measure carefully with a milligram scale if you have one because those suckers are very hard to quarter. Make it a quarter AT MOST, a fifth at least (.20-.25mg range). You don't want to crash your Estro and end up on the other side of the game. That's why going TRT with no AI is so popular....it just does not work for everyone, myself included, particularly with our dosages. Getting the AI dose right is very difficult and requires bloodwork.

If you're really just on TRT, another alternative you can consider is lowering your dose to 75-100mg per week such that you may not need an AI. Lowering the dose should also raise your SHBG, so the combined effect may put your estro in range. It's just something to consider. I am holding onto a physique so I choose to cruise at 200mg, for which I require an AI. When I am ready to give up on BB, I will consider very low dosages such that I don't need an AI.

Good luck brother. The key to using an AI is bloodwork, 3 weeks, don't fuck that up. Adjust the dose if necessary from there. And if you're still fucked, consider the final option of dropping test much further (even 75-100mg per week) and trying again with no AI. If you don't care to maintain a physique, this should still put you high normal.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Well, one additional thing to consider is dosing frequency. If you're on cyp, make sure you're dosing at least E3.5D if not EOD. This might help with estro and SHBG a little.

Hmm, I found Adex to be more touchy than asin. I had a harder time dialing in my adex dose, which is why I switched. I found it to be slightly more powerful than asin pill for pill, equating 1 asin pill (25mg) to 1 adex pill (1mg).

That said, I would still recommend take a quarter pill of adex (.25mg) twice a week and retest in three weeks. 96 Estro is really high, so you have quite some room to go before you crash yourself if the dose is too high, so abolutely take bloods in 3 weeks for sure.

When you split the pills, I'd measure carefully with a milligram scale if you have one because those suckers are very hard to quarter. Make it a quarter AT MOST, a fifth at least (.20-.25mg range). You don't want to crash your Estro and end up on the other side of the game. That's why going TRT with no AI is so popular....it just does not work for everyone, myself included, particularly with our dosages. Getting the AI dose right is very difficult and requires bloodwork.

If you're really just on TRT, another alternative you can consider is lowering your dose to 75-100mg per week such that you may not need an AI. Lowering the dose should also raise your SHBG, so the combined effect may put your estro in range. It's just something to consider. I am holding onto a physique so I choose to cruise at 200mg, for which I require an AI. When I am ready to give up on BB, I will consider very low dosages such that I don't need an AI.

Good luck brother. The key to using an AI is bloodwork, 3 weeks, don't fuck that up. Adjust the dose if necessary from there. And if you're still fucked, consider the final option of dropping test much further (even 75-100mg per week) and trying again with no AI. If you don't care to maintain a physique, this should still put you high normal.

Thanks for the detailed reply and I’ll definitely take this into consideration.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Well, one additional thing to consider is dosing frequency. If you're on cyp, make sure you're dosing at least E3.5D if not EOD. This might help with estro and SHBG a little.

Hmm, I found Adex to be more touchy than asin. I had a harder time dialing in my adex dose, which is why I switched. I found it to be slightly more powerful than asin pill for pill, equating 1 asin pill (25mg) to 1 adex pill (1mg).

That said, I would still recommend take a quarter pill of adex (.25mg) twice a week and retest in three weeks. 96 Estro is really high, so you have quite some room to go before you crash yourself if the dose is too high, so abolutely take bloods in 3 weeks for sure.

When you split the pills, I'd measure carefully with a milligram scale if you have one because those suckers are very hard to quarter. Make it a quarter AT MOST, a fifth at least (.20-.25mg range). You don't want to crash your Estro and end up on the other side of the game. That's why going TRT with no AI is so popular....it just does not work for everyone, myself included, particularly with our dosages. Getting the AI dose right is very difficult and requires bloodwork.

If you're really just on TRT, another alternative you can consider is lowering your dose to 75-100mg per week such that you may not need an AI. Lowering the dose should also raise your SHBG, so the combined effect may put your estro in range. It's just something to consider. I am holding onto a physique so I choose to cruise at 200mg, for which I require an AI. When I am ready to give up on BB, I will consider very low dosages such that I don't need an AI.

Good luck brother. The key to using an AI is bloodwork, 3 weeks, don't fuck that up. Adjust the dose if necessary from there. And if you're still fucked, consider the final option of dropping test much further (even 75-100mg per week) and trying again with no AI. If you don't care to maintain a physique, this should still put you high normal.

Spent the last few weeks using test prop 120mg weekly M-W-F with no AI and there are the results. I’m stumped so hoping anyone could help. It seems as if my E2 leveled out but my Total T and Free T dropped dramatically. Not sure where to go from here. Do I stay with prop and increase dose or switch back to cyp and instead of pinning twice a week try 3x and increase dose slightly?

 

[DirtyCurt425]

Spent the last few weeks using test prop 120mg weekly M-W-F with no AI and there are the results. I’m stumped so hoping anyone could help. It seems as if my E2 leveled out but my Total T and Free T dropped dramatically. Not sure where to go from here. Do I stay with prop and increase dose or switch back to cyp and instead of pinning twice a week try 3x and increase dose slightly?

where did you get the prop from? Doctor or ugl? Looks like bunk gear

 

[DirtyCurt425]

Just go back to cyp and use an ai. Not sure why you didn't do that if it was working to begin with. I know most people say to just ai as needed but that only works for some or most people. Could be the 1 in 1000 that just can't get away with that. As long as everything looked good and you felt good with the ai then I see no reason not to.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

where did you get the prop from? Doctor or ugl? Looks like bunk gear

Just go back to cyp and use an ai. Not sure why you didn't do that if it was working to begin with. I know most people say to just ai as needed but that only works for some or most people. Could be the 1 in 1000 that just can't get away with that. As long as everything looked good and you felt good with the ai then I see no reason not to.

UGL. Thanks for the feedback yeah I’m a high converter and was hoping to see if I could tweak the protocol to a point of not needing one anymore. I keep seeing that long term AI use is not good and had so many comments telling me to drop it and try so it looks like I’ll be getting back on

 

[Lifting88]

Low shbg is the reason i have it to

Go to daily injection en try to raise your shbg

Try to find the reason for your low shbg

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Low shbg is the reason i have it to

Go to daily injection en try to raise your shbg

Try to find the reason for your low shbg

I have UGL cyp that I know is good to go from my last set of bloods. I’m going to do a daily of cyp this time around instead of twice a week to see if I feel better that way

 

[Lifting88]

How long your on trt?
Did you did a blast with dht compounds?


Try 20 mg test cyp ed en see how blood looks in a few weeks but you need to give it time


Most low shbg comes from fatty liver or insulin resistance try to look for that to

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

How long your on trt?
Did you did a blast with dht compounds?


Try 20 mg test cyp ed en see how blood looks in a few weeks but you need to give it time


Most low shbg comes from fatty liver or insulin resistance try to look for that to

For about a few years now with no blasts. I tried to get a script but the doctors here in my area in PA would always refuse to put me on

 

[Leansamuel]

Bro just a tip from a dude who was there and done that. I know your situation. The more you change dosages and frequencies the more confused you will get.
Listen:

200 mg is too much for you. Low shbg!
150 is better and you have labs, so you know where your free t and E2 is with that dosage.
Inject that dosage e3 days and take 0,25 arimidex or 12,5 Aromasin one day after injection.
After 2-3 weeks Just test your E2 .see where it is. Since 0,5 arimidex crashed your E2. 0,25 should work. If its low you just take 0,125 of the arimidex. Use a mg scale.
Or 6,25 Aromasin.

Then ride it!
And please don't listen to the douchebags telling you bro science shit about why AI is dangerous long term bla bla. Those guys preach walking around with high E2. They are a bunch of femboys.
Don't overcomplicate things. Choose a dosage and adjust and test.
Hope i could help

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Bro just a tip from a dude who was there and done that. I know your situation. The more you change dosages and frequencies the more confused you will get.
Listen:

200 mg is too much for you. Low shbg!
150 is better and you have labs, so you know where your free t and E2 is with that dosage.
Inject that dosage e3 days and take 0,25 arimidex or 12,5 Aromasin one day after injection.
After 2-3 weeks Just test your E2 .see where it is. Since 0,5 arimidex crashed your E2. 0,25 should work. If its low you just take 0,125 of the arimidex. Use a mg scale.
Or 6,25 Aromasin.

Then ride it!
And please don't listen to the douchebags telling you bro science shit about why AI is dangerous long term bla bla. Those guys preach walking around with high E2. They are a bunch of femboys.
Don't overcomplicate things. Choose a dosage and adjust and test.
Hope i could help

Appreciate it!