Self TRT dropped ai bw results no libido

[Lifting88]

Bro just a tip from a dude who was there and done that. I know your situation. The more you change dosages and frequencies the more confused you will get.
Listen:

200 mg is too much for you. Low shbg!
150 is better and you have labs, so you know where your free t and E2 is with that dosage.
Inject that dosage e3 days and take 0,25 arimidex or 12,5 Aromasin one day after injection.
After 2-3 weeks Just test your E2 .see where it is. Since 0,5 arimidex crashed your E2. 0,25 should work. If its low you just take 0,125 of the arimidex. Use a mg scale.
Or 6,25 Aromasin.

Then ride it!
And please don't listen to the douchebags telling you bro science shit about why AI is dangerous long term bla bla. Those guys preach walking around with high E2. They are a bunch of femboys.
Don't overcomplicate things. Choose a dosage and adjust and test.
Hope i could help

I think e3d injection is not enough...with low shbg your go fast true your test and gives alot of unstable bloodlevels

Ed or eod injection small dosing is the way to go and i will lower estrogen so maybe you dont need a ai

 

[Isrrike]

I would go donate blood those markers are high for someone on trt

 

[bigtdawgwassupbro]

if 150mg has your free t levels double the top range what the fuck do you think you should do hmm i wonder why your e2 would be high jesus christ people are fucking stupid just drop your dose to 100 and even thats probably gonna be too much for your body if 150 has you at those levels...

 

[bigtdawgwassupbro]

Whats your prolactin levels preferably before and after starting your trt regimen? Also what are your TSH t3 and t4 and possibly thyroid antibodies? I really hope you did your due diligence before self prescribing and had those checked because you could have secondary low T which means fixing an off thyroid level including t3 and t4 and addressing any possible prolactin abnormalities could bring your natural hormone levels in range without needing trt. If u didnt have those things checked your best bet is to grab some clomid quit your t do clomid for a month quit for a month and then take bloods.
edit: im so adamant on those bloods because your e2 being that level wouldnt cause at least from what ive read most guys to have low libido. Although theres some guys that are gonna call me out on that and say those levels could do that..so just my thoughs, plus you said youve tried AI and have no libido for as long as you remember so that means you had your e2 lower at one point to no avail.

 

[GuerillaPete]

High e2 and my dick wont work right.
Same with low e2 .
Its a mind fuck fur sure.

 

[Leansamuel]

That you go fast thru your test because of low shbg is just internet bro science.
I know many people with low shbg in Single digits who can confirm that that's bro science. My cousin has a shbg of 7. His TRT is every 2 weeks 200 mg test. The day before his next shot(14 days after) his level is still 800.
I know many guys in my gym with shbg in low single digits bro. It's just some internet shit that went thru those forums a couple years ago with no scientific evidence.

 

[VenomYo]

Figured I’d start a new thread. I’ve had many recommend I drop AI and just treat if I have any symptoms. Here is my latest results on self trt 150mg cyp a week with dropping adex. I have little to no libido and no morning wood for as long as I can remember. Any recommendations greatly appreciated. I took my total, free, E2, and shbg this time.

15mg prop ED subq no ai if you want libido

 

[Leansamuel]

I think before he jumps on the Ed injection frequency he should first find his sweet spot. Then he can change it. That would just overcomplicate things for him. But i agree that with low shbg the more frequent you go the better. Even if it's just because of high circulating free estrogen.

I have a shbg of 10. And i am good with e3d.

 

[Lifting88]

I think before he jumps on the Ed injection frequency he should first find his sweet spot. Then he can change it. That would just overcomplicate things for him. But i agree that with low shbg the more frequent you go the better. Even if it's just because of high circulating free estrogen.

I have a shbg of 10. And i am good with e3d.

Whats your week dosing?

No libido problems with low shbg...i notice a decrease in sex drive and alot more acne since shbg is low

 

[Leansamuel]

I think e3d injection is not enough...with low shbg your go fast true your test and gives alot of unstable bloodlevels

Ed or eod injection small dosing is the way to go and i will lower estrogen so maybe you dont need a ai

Whats your week dosing?

No libido problems with low shbg...i notice a decrease in sex drive and alot more acne since shbg is low

My weekly dose 120 mg 2× 60.
Puts me at the top of reference range free T.

What is yours? Numbers especially free Test number.
And also where is your e2..

Libido imo is fucked when ratio free t and E2 is too big.
I feel best when E2 is 20-25. My body hates more.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Whats your prolactin levels preferably before and after starting your trt regimen? Also what are your TSH t3 and t4 and possibly thyroid antibodies? I really hope you did your due diligence before self prescribing and had those checked because you could have secondary low T which means fixing an off thyroid level including t3 and t4 and addressing any possible prolactin abnormalities could bring your natural hormone levels in range without needing trt. If u didnt have those things checked your best bet is to grab some clomid quit your t do clomid for a month quit for a month and then take bloods.
edit: im so adamant on those bloods because your e2 being that level wouldnt cause at least from what ive read most guys to have low libido. Although theres some guys that are gonna call me out on that and say those levels could do that..so just my thoughs, plus you said youve tried AI and have no libido for as long as you remember so that means you had your e2 lower at one point to no avail.

Appreciate it. Long story short I first started PEDs back in 2013 without knowledge that I have now. I did not know the proper procedures or Pct for that matter. Very first experience was dbol from a co worker and he referred me to this site as well as told me basic cycles to take.

I would cycle for 4-8 weeks then take off the same amount without proper pct. I did that up until my last cycle which was in 2017 when I cut cold Turkey. I crashed hard and went to an endo who prescribed me clomid. I took that for about 5 weeks. The first 2 weeks I felt great then felt the same crashing symptoms. I ended up getting frustrated going from urologist to endo who kept telling me to wait to see if my levels would rise so since I did a lot of reading on trt and decided to do it for the long haul. I found my sweet spot but then lost it when going from one UGL to another.

 

[Leansamuel]

That's why it's important to know at which level you feel best. For example if you feel best when TT is 1000 and E2 30 at through you won't have any problems when you change brands etc.

But you seem to react good to test. I think even 100 mg will put you above reference range. Try injecting 50 mg Monday 50 mg Thursday. Run that for 2 weeks, check estradiol ( shouldn't be high) if high, a little arimidex and check after 14 days. Run that protocol for 1 month, better 6 weeks and check your level the day before your next injection and see what Numbers you have. If your numbers are still high you do it again with 80 mg test.

I am sure you will find your sweet spot. Back then i though one has to have at least 200 mg test to keep muscles and feel the full effect. That's just not true. None of us would lose any size after cycle if we bounce back to "normal" TRT.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

That's why it's important to know at which level you feel best. For example if you feel best when TT is 1000 and E2 30 at through you won't have any problems when you change brands etc.

But you seem to react good to test. I think even 100 mg will put you above reference range. Try injecting 50 mg Monday 50 mg Thursday. Run that for 2 weeks, check estradiol ( shouldn't be high) if high, a little arimidex and check after 14 days. Run that protocol for 1 month, better 6 weeks and check your level the day before your next injection and see what Numbers you have. If your numbers are still high you do it again with 80 mg test.

I am sure you will find your sweet spot. Back then i though one has to have at least 200 mg test to keep muscles and feel the full effect. That's just not true. None of us would lose any size after cycle if we bounce back to "normal" TRT.

Thanks appreciate the feedback!

 

[Lifting88]

My weekly dose 120 mg 2× 60.
Puts me at the top of reference range free T.

What is yours? Numbers especially free Test number.
And also where is your e2..

Libido imo is fucked when ratio free t and E2 is too big.
I feel best when E2 is 20-25. My body hates more.

Test 1 160 mg test c in 2 injections
Test 2 20mg test c ed

 

[Leansamuel]

Destardiol means probably estradiol?!?
On both you are over the reference range. Your test is in a good range if i am not wrong.

Your shbg is 15. It's not that low. You would be good with E3,5 days injections. But if you feel good except the libido issue then daily is just fine..

 

[Lifting88]

Destardiol means probably estradiol?!?
On both you are over the reference range. Your test is in a good range if i am not wrong.

Your shbg is 15. It's not that low. You would be good with E3,5 days injections. But if you feel good except the libido issue then daily is just fine..

Yes test is good

Estrogen and free test is over reference but thats because shbg is at the lower end maybe i can drop dosing from 20 mg ed to 15 mg ed

 

[Leansamuel]

I think you would still be at the high end of reference even with 10 mg. Estrogen should drop more and your libido comes back. Or you just pop an ai and see how you feel

 

[Mcflyfast]

Okay.

I am going to give my opinion as I too ran into a similar situation.

I wouldn't exactly focus on estrogen as many doctors are not testing for it anymore.

I would pay more attention into two things, your SHBG and your injection frequency. Dose of course too.

I was currently on (0.5ml) 100mg e5d of testosterone cypionate by my doctor and my total T came back at 1227 and free T around 400.

My doctor and I agreed to lower the dose because for one, I was feeling way too stimulated, like endless energy and two my sex drive was okay. Wasn't bad or great.

E2 was at 69

So we lowered to 80mg e5d and within a couple weeks I started noticing I was feeling more relaxed and sex drive sky rocketed.

My SHBG was on the higher side so 1 injection e5d of 80mg works excellent in my case. It is true that lower SHBG would require higher frequency (Smaller doses).

Low SHBG isn't good either, some people feel better on a mid or higher SHBG. It really all depends on the individual and genetic response.

So in my opinion, after using an AI, it usually not the elevated estrogen causing the problem but your dose and frequency. Dr. Jordan Grant has an excellent video on estrogen/SHBG/AI use with libido.

Also, your not going to be walking around with a hard on 24/7, that's not how it works.

Alot of factors come into play your stress levels, your diet, and your sleep patterns.

For example, when I was on 100mg of testosterone at the beginning, I had insane energy but okay sex drive, but my wife's mother was diagnosed with Breast Cancer. She didn't want to have sex due to the stress which caused me also to not be in the mood. Psychology DOES play an effect at a subconscious level.

Also how is your diet, serious question here, are you eating plenty of healthy fats in your diet that can increase certain neurotransmitters to want to have sex? For example, I eat plenty of raw Pistachios, raw cashews, extra virgin olive oil. I notice a huge increase in blood flow and sensations to want to have alot of sex with my wife.

What I am saying is, look into everything and be honest with yourself before jumping onto an AI because someone on here told you so. Estrogen is also neuroprotective too.

When I was hypogonadal, I had low total T, low free T, and bottom of the barrel sensitive estrogen. I felt like SHIT.

Now my estrogen is on the high normal, sex drive is fantastic, mood is excellent, and my labs look better than when I wasn't on any TRT (HDL went from 54 to 76).

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Okay.

I am going to give my opinion as I too ran into a similar situation.

I wouldn't exactly focus on estrogen as many doctors are not testing for it anymore.

I would pay more attention into two things, your SHBG and your injection frequency. Dose of course too.

I was currently on (0.5ml) 100mg e5d of testosterone cypionate by my doctor and my total T came back at 1227 and free T around 400.

My doctor and I agreed to lower the dose because for one, I was feeling way too stimulated, like endless energy and two my sex drive was okay. Wasn't bad or great.

E2 was at 69

So we lowered to 80mg e5d and within a couple weeks I started noticing I was feeling more relaxed and sex drive sky rocketed.

My SHBG was on the higher side so 1 injection e5d of 80mg works excellent in my case. It is true that lower SHBG would require higher frequency (Smaller doses).

Low SHBG isn't good either, some people feel better on a mid or higher SHBG. It really all depends on the individual and genetic response.

So in my opinion, after using an AI, it usually not the elevated estrogen causing the problem but your dose and frequency. Dr. Jordan Grant has an excellent video on estrogen/SHBG/AI use with libido.

Also, your not going to be walking around with a hard on 24/7, that's not how it works.

Alot of factors come into play your stress levels, your diet, and your sleep patterns.

For example, when I was on 100mg of testosterone at the beginning, I had insane energy but okay sex drive, but my wife's mother was diagnosed with Breast Cancer. She didn't want to have sex due to the stress which caused me also to not be in the mood. Psychology DOES play an effect at a subconscious level.

Also how is your diet, serious question here, are you eating plenty of healthy fats in your diet that can increase certain neurotransmitters to want to have sex? For example, I eat plenty of raw Pistachios, raw cashews, extra virgin olive oil. I notice a huge increase in blood flow and sensations to want to have alot of sex with my wife.

What I am saying is, look into everything and be honest with yourself before jumping onto an AI because someone on here told you so. Estrogen is also neuroprotective too.

When I was hypogonadal, I had low total T, low free T, and bottom of the barrel sensitive estrogen. I felt like SHIT.

Now my estrogen is on the high normal, sex drive is fantastic, mood is excellent, and my labs look better than when I wasn't on any TRT (HDL went from 54 to 76).

Appreciate the feedback. My diet for the most part is on the healthier side as I cut out as much sugar as I can, cut out crap processed and fast food, drink more water ect. My go to is salmon and chicken less on the red meat. So in your case for example would you pin 80mg on Monday’s and Saturday’s?

 

[Mcflyfast]

Appreciate the feedback. My diet for the most part is on the healthier side as I cut out as much sugar as I can, cut out crap processed and fast food, drink more water ect. My go to is salmon and chicken less on the red meat. So in your case for example would you pin 80mg on Monday’s and Saturday’s?

I do e5d according to my Dr and it has been working excellent.

Again, this is what works for me. Don't be so quick to jump on an AI.

We need estrogen, in fact, alot of DRs medically prescribing true TRT are not testing E2. If you have no physical symptoms, they don't address it.