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I decided to type this up (since I didn't have it saved to my HD) as there's been some questions on here about 2-week cycles recently. This was posted on the old Meso written by Real Gains a while ago when I was just lurking. It's unedited (except where noted) and is another source of info for those who would like to try a short cycle. Follow this info at your own risk :}
Originally post by Real Gains......
I have posted on two week cycles before but I thought I should touch on the issue once again especially for the paranoid newbie. Two weekers are a good start for the newbie and good for those that are tired of all the sides and especially a shitty lipid profile. They are also good for the very serious lifter that just want to play it as safe as possible.
Doing two week cycles with 4 week off year round will give similar results to doing 3 eight week cycles per year but will be much safer all around. The worst side of AAS use BY FAR with men is a shitty lipid profile and usually VERY SHITTY. Two week cycles minimize time with a crappy lipid profile and this is obviously a good thing for long term health reasons. Secondly, long cycles can cause testosterone recovery problems in some and even if HCG is used during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, although HCG certainly helps. Recovery of natural test production after a two weeker is very rapid and thus gains made are kept for the most part.
Other nasty sides like bad acne and hair loss are minimized with two week cycles. In fact my buddies and I never get any acne at all during a two weeker. Acne for most seems to come on after three weeks and can get very bad indeed. During the usual 4 week off period gains continue! This is probably because natural test levels normally rebound to a somewhat higher than normal level for a few weeks (higher than your usual norm). Also other metabolic factors are still in the "primed state" from the steroid use. When was the last time you continued to gain immediately after a long cycle!
One can do two weeks on and then only two weeks off for a long time and even year round but this will eventually result in testicular atrophy so using 300-500 iu's of HCG per day during each cycle is a good idea. Two on two off with HCG during the time "on" is better than being on steroids all year long for sure and can give excellent results. Better yet do two weeks on and then four weeks off. This can safely be done ALL YEAR without HCG.
HORMONE CHOICES, DOSAGE and other tips:
Choice of hormone is VERY important when constructing a two week cycle. You must only use rapid acting roids and test. If you use hormones like Deca , test cyp [EDIT: or enanthate], EQ, or Primo the cycle will not be two weeks long due to the long acting nature of the esters used [EDIT: there are now short-acting EQ's available]. You are then defeating the whole purpose of a two week cycle.
If you are still not at your natural maximum weight then you can get very good results from moderate doses of steroids, although the two weeker requires a little more per day than you would use in an 8-10 weeker. D-bol at 30mg per day in five divided doses and tren at 50-75mg per day will do just fine and will often give a 10 pound muscle gain if you are not at your natural max weight. Front load the tren at 150mg on day one in order to get blood hormone levels up right away.......you can't be waiting for good hormone levels during a two weeker. PLEASE do not be afraid of the loading dose as it will not hurt you at all. Stop the d-bol after day 14 and the tren after day 12. Then hit clomid just to be safe on day 15 at 300mg in divided doses and then 50 per day for 3-4 weeks.
For those that are at their natural max weight, which is usually about 190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9", more is needed. You guys should try d-bol at 50 per day in 5 divided doses and tren at 75 per day. You could also throw in some winny at 50 per day or test prop at 100 per day. If you use the prop be sure to front load on day one with 300mg. Stop the prop after day 11. For those of you that are well above your natural max weight then very large doses are needed, as they are with long cycles. You should try d-bol at 50 per day, tren at 100 with a 150-200 front load, test prop at 125-150 per day with a 300 front load and perhaps even winstrol at 50 per day. If you want to leave anything out then leave out the winny. Then hit clomid as above. I know of many very large men that have gained a solid 5 pounds of muscle from a two weeker using 100 of prop per day for 11 days after a 300 front load, d-bol 50 per day through day 14 and tren at 75-100 per day through day 12 after a 150 front load.
NOTE:
WINSTROL DEPOT hangs around for about a week after the last shot so it is best to use oral winstrol through day 14 or the IM winny only during the first week.
PS>...Two weeks will shut down natural test but the pituitary isn't inhibited so recovery is great. If you shut yourself down for 8-10 weeks you may have a hard time with recovery since both the hypothalamus and pituitary are fully inhibited AND your nuts will have shrunk and that is worse. Fast acting roids and test prop will give good results especially if the injectables are front loaded. True you will not see stellar gains but that's not the point of a two weeker....safety and health are. Bill Roberts has given evidence of the rapid test recovery after two week cycles. I have checked my test levels a week after two weekers on three occasions and they ahve rebounded to slightly higher than norm...550-650. A couple of my buddies experienced the same thing. I get cheap blood work done at the hospital I work at so this is not a big deal for me to do. It often takes a month or more before test levels normalize after long cycles and thus you lose gains and feel crappy.
If you are not a competitive BBer then perhaps two weekers are all you really need. Obviously two weekers are not for the advanced competitor -- but how many out there really are?
Originally post by Real Gains......
I have posted on two week cycles before but I thought I should touch on the issue once again especially for the paranoid newbie. Two weekers are a good start for the newbie and good for those that are tired of all the sides and especially a shitty lipid profile. They are also good for the very serious lifter that just want to play it as safe as possible.
Doing two week cycles with 4 week off year round will give similar results to doing 3 eight week cycles per year but will be much safer all around. The worst side of AAS use BY FAR with men is a shitty lipid profile and usually VERY SHITTY. Two week cycles minimize time with a crappy lipid profile and this is obviously a good thing for long term health reasons. Secondly, long cycles can cause testosterone recovery problems in some and even if HCG is used during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy, although HCG certainly helps. Recovery of natural test production after a two weeker is very rapid and thus gains made are kept for the most part.
Other nasty sides like bad acne and hair loss are minimized with two week cycles. In fact my buddies and I never get any acne at all during a two weeker. Acne for most seems to come on after three weeks and can get very bad indeed. During the usual 4 week off period gains continue! This is probably because natural test levels normally rebound to a somewhat higher than normal level for a few weeks (higher than your usual norm). Also other metabolic factors are still in the "primed state" from the steroid use. When was the last time you continued to gain immediately after a long cycle!
One can do two weeks on and then only two weeks off for a long time and even year round but this will eventually result in testicular atrophy so using 300-500 iu's of HCG per day during each cycle is a good idea. Two on two off with HCG during the time "on" is better than being on steroids all year long for sure and can give excellent results. Better yet do two weeks on and then four weeks off. This can safely be done ALL YEAR without HCG.
HORMONE CHOICES, DOSAGE and other tips:
Choice of hormone is VERY important when constructing a two week cycle. You must only use rapid acting roids and test. If you use hormones like Deca , test cyp [EDIT: or enanthate], EQ, or Primo the cycle will not be two weeks long due to the long acting nature of the esters used [EDIT: there are now short-acting EQ's available]. You are then defeating the whole purpose of a two week cycle.
If you are still not at your natural maximum weight then you can get very good results from moderate doses of steroids, although the two weeker requires a little more per day than you would use in an 8-10 weeker. D-bol at 30mg per day in five divided doses and tren at 50-75mg per day will do just fine and will often give a 10 pound muscle gain if you are not at your natural max weight. Front load the tren at 150mg on day one in order to get blood hormone levels up right away.......you can't be waiting for good hormone levels during a two weeker. PLEASE do not be afraid of the loading dose as it will not hurt you at all. Stop the d-bol after day 14 and the tren after day 12. Then hit clomid just to be safe on day 15 at 300mg in divided doses and then 50 per day for 3-4 weeks.
For those that are at their natural max weight, which is usually about 190 fairly lean pounds at 5'9", more is needed. You guys should try d-bol at 50 per day in 5 divided doses and tren at 75 per day. You could also throw in some winny at 50 per day or test prop at 100 per day. If you use the prop be sure to front load on day one with 300mg. Stop the prop after day 11. For those of you that are well above your natural max weight then very large doses are needed, as they are with long cycles. You should try d-bol at 50 per day, tren at 100 with a 150-200 front load, test prop at 125-150 per day with a 300 front load and perhaps even winstrol at 50 per day. If you want to leave anything out then leave out the winny. Then hit clomid as above. I know of many very large men that have gained a solid 5 pounds of muscle from a two weeker using 100 of prop per day for 11 days after a 300 front load, d-bol 50 per day through day 14 and tren at 75-100 per day through day 12 after a 150 front load.
NOTE:
WINSTROL DEPOT hangs around for about a week after the last shot so it is best to use oral winstrol through day 14 or the IM winny only during the first week.
PS>...Two weeks will shut down natural test but the pituitary isn't inhibited so recovery is great. If you shut yourself down for 8-10 weeks you may have a hard time with recovery since both the hypothalamus and pituitary are fully inhibited AND your nuts will have shrunk and that is worse. Fast acting roids and test prop will give good results especially if the injectables are front loaded. True you will not see stellar gains but that's not the point of a two weeker....safety and health are. Bill Roberts has given evidence of the rapid test recovery after two week cycles. I have checked my test levels a week after two weekers on three occasions and they ahve rebounded to slightly higher than norm...550-650. A couple of my buddies experienced the same thing. I get cheap blood work done at the hospital I work at so this is not a big deal for me to do. It often takes a month or more before test levels normalize after long cycles and thus you lose gains and feel crappy.
If you are not a competitive BBer then perhaps two weekers are all you really need. Obviously two weekers are not for the advanced competitor -- but how many out there really are?
