Short Cycle w Goodies

[HKOX]

I'm almost one week in now... recomping. Just a four week blast before I drop back down to TRT test. This is only my third short blast.

Worked up to 600mg of test prop split into daily shots. 200mg tren e per week, 300mg mast e. 300mg primo e. The tren, mast and primo are dosed EOD to meet weekly.totals. 5mg and now 10mg MENT daily (started a few days ago). 100mg NPP e5d. 25mg stanozolol suspension sublingually a few times a week. Just added 12.5mg oxandrolone every 8 hours too. Oh, and 25mg Proviron per day (12.5mg every 12 hours). I feel surprisingly normal, but I can definitely see physical changes day to day (fat loss and lean tissue gain). Greasier skin too, for sure! And slight chest pressure. Interesting side effect of the Proviron is both my urine and poop smell different.

 

[Canknucklehead]

How is this going? Half way point...

 

[HKOX]

Going really well. Recomping well and it shows. Might need to upsize from XL to XXL shirts at the end of the month! Lost quite a bit of bodyfat too. I'd estimate 2-3% bodyfat loss. I do have very greasy skin atm but as far as behavior I'm totally normal. Just really horny lol.

Gonna take at least a month off and then work out my next blast.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Congrats... good to hear. Take a month off then hit it hard again. Keep us posted.

 

[DirtyCurt425]

no this is old but just curious why you chose enanthate to run a 4 week blast when they are all longer esters instead of shorter that you would get more out of in that timeframe?

 

[HKOX]

no this is old but just curious why you chose enanthate to run a 4 week blast when they are all longer esters instead of shorter that you would get more out of in that timeframe?

That's not at all true actually. I pin enanthates subq EOD. Enanthates peak really quickly. They just eliminate slower. If I went with shorter esters I'd pin daily. The difference is the enanthate compounds eliminate more gradually once I stop. Shorter esters I'd have to taper off of by reducing dose (I do this with my test prop). Plus the enanthates are sometimes dosed higher per ml so less volume of oil overall.

 

[DirtyCurt425]

That's not at all true actually. I pin enanthates subq EOD. Enanthates peak really quickly. They just eliminate slower. If I went with shorter esters I'd pin daily. The difference is the enanthate compounds eliminate more gradually once I stop. Shorter esters I'd have to taper off of by reducing dose (I do this with my test prop). Plus the enanthates are sometimes dosed higher per ml so less volume of oil overall.

Good to know. I was more so asking about it than telling you if that makes sense. I've just read and heard usually you do shorter esters for short blasts and vice versa with longer is all so I wasn't too sure.

 

[theotherguy]

That's not at all true actually. I pin enanthates subq EOD. Enanthates peak really quickly. They just eliminate slower. If I went with shorter esters I'd pin daily. The difference is the enanthate compounds eliminate more gradually once I stop. Shorter esters I'd have to taper off of by reducing dose (I do this with my test prop). Plus the enanthates are sometimes dosed higher per ml so less volume of oil overall.

Can you elaborate on this?

TBH, when I read the first post it sounds like you just threw a bunch of shit at the wall hoping something would stick. But I am certainly curious to understand your thought process behind the compounds chosen and the pinning frequency (i.e. tren E, mast E, primo E for 4 weeks and NPP pinned once every 5 days). Why the use of 3 19-nors?

 

[HKOX]

Yup, I'll show you some curves for enanthate compounds. Pinning EOD with enanthate or cypionate subq is what the TRT guys who are really on their game do (daily even). I use prop because much cheaper and pharma grade, but I'm about to try cypionate with my prop because I'm curious how it'll differ.

19-Nors are great anabolics and at my dosages, i have no sides. I'm going to drop the dosage of Primo and Masteron down a little on the next blast in a few weeks and I'll be using more tren instead. I'm thinking 250mg a week of Primo and Masteron (each) and 300mg of tren e.

If you read through the 'is tren scary' thread on here, someone said he did much better on tren e than acetate. In my case I went with E because of the higher dosage per ml and EOD pinning frequency. With the half lives of longer esters, stopping at week 3 meant I continued to benefit from my compounds into week 4 and even week 5.

I'll have to show you a curve for NPP too. It peaks and stays high for 4-5 days, then rapidly drops off. Which is why I use it every 5th day. Now on cruise I use it as needed to help with my shoulder issues. I think the UGL stuff I'm using is underdosed based on feels vs the pharma stuff I can get though, but the pharma stuff I'm getting is dosed too low per ml. At 25mg/ml I'd have to pin a ml a day to keep levels constant. Pinning 4ml every fifth day of just NPP would be crazy!

I'm cruising on 175mg of prop a week, 25mg of Proviron and 25mg of Clomid a day before the next blast. Will likely add Dianabol to the next blast.

 

[HKOX]

Also at about week 3, I noticed my appetite dropped off some. I am not sure why. Could be from lack of sleep. The appetite loss made me decide to start to come off at day 23 or so.

Either way I've lost a ton of bodyfat since! I'm struggling to get down my last protein shake of the day and I had to cut the rice out of my lunch since I couldn't get it down. Was definitely a fruitful cycle as far as fat loss and I definitely gained some muscle too. Down to 220 from a high of 245 after my first test only blast last October. Still carrying too much bodyfat but I've lost a lot and need to size down in pants.

I also love sublingual stanozolol. The strength gains off it are incredible! Not sure if I want to run sublingual winny or Dianabol for the next blast. Curious to try the Dianabol though.

The Primo and Masteron seem to lower estrogen in many men. I hadn't run Masteron before, but 300mg was a good dose to test and I wanted to run equal Primo and Masteron (combined) to test. That's why I chose to run those compounds specifically. It definitely helped me control the bloat from 600mg of prop a week, but I feel like I could get by with less of both.

The MENT was added for curiosity's sake. I think it's overrated maybe, but I'll try using 15mg a day on the next blast.

There's another post above this one that is awaiting mod approval

 

[HKOX]

Next blast on March 1st. Four weeks is the goal. I've lost a lot of bodyfat in the last few months! And gained muscle and strength at the same time.

Here's what we're doing:

.5ml of 50mg/ml test prop a day for 175mg of prop a week.
1 ml of 200mg/week test cyp split into EOD doses (.25 ml each time).
.3 ml of MENT a day for 15mg/day
300mg of tren e, split EOD (.375ml each time).
150mg primo a week (EOD dosing). .375 ml each time.
162mg of Masteron E per week (EOD dosing). .19ml each time.
100mg NPP e5d. 1ml of pharma grade at 25mg/ml and .75ml of UGL NPP at 100mg/ml.
Dianabol, 15 mg a day, dosed every four hours at 2.5mg.
Oxandrolone, 12.5mg every 8 hours.
I stay on 25mg of Proviron (12.5mg every 12 hours) and 25mg of Clomid year round, plus 100mg a day of DHEA (dosed every 12 hours) and will keep using them on this blast.

 

[HKOX]

Started with the orals tonight. I swear I felt the Dianabol hit me immediately. Mostly empty stomach (I don't eat dinner). This should be an interesting cycle!

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Have you run this many compounds at the same time before? At first glance it looks like a fuck ton of drugs for a month cycle

Are you frontloading the long esters?

 

[HKOX]

Have you run this many compounds at the same time before? At first glance it looks like a fuck ton of drugs for a month cycle

Are you frontloading the long esters?

Very similar to my last blast a month ago, but less test, primo and masteron. More tren and more MENT. Also Dianabol added and stanozolol suspension removed. I may up the Dianabol to 30mg a day since splitting a 10mg pill four ways is quite a pain.

I don't frontload as even long esters have a peak and trough issue. IMO a lot of the sides come from those big peaks. Best to keep things constant so your body has time to adjust as the compound builds up in your system is my policy. I also like to taper off my test prop, but may not do that with cypionate added and just see how I fare.

Just took all my injectables. Definitely feeling it. Euphoric warmth that I get from testosterone and a slight headache that I get from NPP. Didn't inject NPP tonight so I suspect it's the tren e.

 

[HKOX]

Still have a headache. I think it might be the test cyp. My daily test dose on cruise was only 25mg ED and I injected that (prop) plus 50mg of test cypionate last night. 200% increase in testosterone dose. I should've stepped it up more gradually...

Exactly 220 lbs this morning, down from 245 November last year.

 

[theotherguy]

A headache could be any number of things. Like high estrogen or high BP come to mind for me.

 

[HKOX]

A headache could be any number of things. Like high estrogen or high BP come to mind for me.

Yup, checked my BP earlier. Don't think it's estrogen since I felt it pretty much immediately after the shot. Headache is going away now. Let's see if it comes back with the next bunch of EOD shots...

 

[HKOX]

Cycle going good and I'm noticing visible changes already. Definitely better than my last cycle in that way. I am actually on 50mg Proviron a day, not 25mg. I accidentally double dosed my split dose of Proviron last night because the tabs are the same color as my Anavar. I definitely felt the extra 25mg. Mild palpitations and a light headache. I'll be careful not to do that again!

I think the dianabol and extra tren on this blast are making the difference.

Forgot my NPP last night so I'll make sure I get my dose tonight!

 

[HKOX]

Such a great cycle. Losing belly and love handle fat at an incredible pace but my weight is about the same, so I'm recomping beautifully. I need to size down in pants and size up in shirts soon I think.

One good reason to use oxandrolone on this cycle is it prevents visceral fat gain and even reduces visceral fat. Oxandrolone improves insulin tolerance while other steroids increase insulin tolerance and cause visceral fat gain. Basically I think I should use oxandrolone on every cycle to balance things out some.

Headache was back last night. Apparently it's not uncommon to have headaches on Dianabol. My pressure is just fine though: 120/78. Some forumites have said the headaches pass after a week: tonight is night seven of the cycle, so let's see what happens. Three more weeks to go! At this rate of fat loss I'm gonna have a six pack by the end of this cycle lol.

 

[HKOX]

So a couple of boo-boos. I've been using MENT EOD for a week instead of daily! Oops. Also in the last 24 hours I took 75mg of oxandrolone instead of 37.5mg (I'm quartering 50mg pills: I forgot and took halves). One downside to juggling so many drugs is it's easy to make mistakes. Need to be more careful. I'm fine though and the results have been great! Much less greasy on this cycle too. Probably from using 375mg of test instead of 600mg.