I am posting this here because I think some of the best minds in training are here. I am going to start dieting at the begining of April, so I want to put on as must size/ weight as possible in these last three weeks. The problem is that I have gotten very strong (for me) recently and i keep getting injured. Is it possible to continue to gain while training at >70% load. I am currently on 1g TE/wk with some dbol thrown in randomly.
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eleven11
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Read the HST thread at the top of the page . But I don't know how much more mass your going to put on in 3 weeks. I switched to this training because of injuries and so far I like it.........11
MANWHORE
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Of course it is,heavy weight is not the only way to train for size. By the way,that was a good way to start your post,for getting answersmonsoon said:
monsoon said:
this is not a scientific answer but if you keep pushing heavier and heavier weight while on juice you will keep getting injured and will eventually not be able to overload the muscle at all.The muscles sometimes simply get 2 strong to fast and overload the joint etc. You def. have to take periodic 1 or even 2 week breaks and train light. during that time. You can't always go balls to the wall during a cycle just ask me or anyone else who have torn muscles.
Bodybuilding is a marathon and not a sprint to make consisitent gains.
Look at long term before and after pics of top pros who already have great genes....you see gradual progressive changes in their physiques over a fifteen year span(it seems though when they are in the later stages the gains come faster prob. due to fig. the drugs and diet out).
You can always drop the weight down a bit and concentrate on form and feel while being banged up.If you stay in the game long enough it becomes a must to listen to your body if you want to stick around.,..
thick
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You can lift at 70-80% right now w/o pain correct? IF so than yes you can continue to add mass. A lot will depend on your current stats and what you have gained but the 70% lifts wont be the determining factor
The 70% was an rough guess I have been doing 5x5 recently and operating well below max, for example today I was doing squats and me knee really hurts, I have never had knee problems before. I was doing 320 which is fairly easy, by no means light but certainly well below my max and had to quit after three sets.
thick
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Well if you want to make it through the last 3 weeks I would bump your reps up to around 10 and see how you respond. Especially if you have been in the 5 rep range for a long time. You should respond well to this
I would suggest dropping the 5x5 and upping to 12-15 reps for all your sets. After a week or two you should notice a difference in your joints and tendons.
And HST program would be an exellent choice given your goals, but youre not going to achieve much in 3 weeks.
And HST program would be an exellent choice given your goals, but youre not going to achieve much in 3 weeks.
People have dieted successfully while on HST. Freddy did it with very good results. Im sure he'll be around sometime later and can give you some more ideas.
Bob Smith said:
I wasn't even dieting and I still lost bodyfat...just from the training. I got noticeably leaner while gaining about 5 pounds in one training cycle. Not too shabby at all, I thought. Of course I've heard of people gaining 10 or even 15 pounds naturally on their first cycle of HST...but I can only tell you what happened to me.
DZL66 that was a great post. I have long felt just as you do - that the slow gradual addition of muscle is the most optimal way of achieving your dream physique. Tendons/ligaments grow at a much slower rate than muscle, and I have always, in the back of my mind, panicked that if I am on a heavy Test/Dbol cycle, and my strength gains and muscular hypertrophy are too fast for my lig's/tendons to keep up with..................that sure enough I am going to have a serious injury. Slow and steady, for me atleast, is what I am after. Not 40 lbs of mass in 12 months. That is just plain too much of a risk for me.
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The answer depends on what you believe is optimum for hypertrophy. Personally, I believe that time dense work at a certain load threshold is the determining factor with progressive loading. Others believe that progressive loading without fatigue is optimum. Under my view, hypertrophy is optimized by increasing the amount of work performed in a given time, doing the same amout of work in less time (without increasing momentum of work), or doing more work with the same time density (ie. simply increasing volume with the same rest) will all cause hypertrophy. This "work" all has to be at a certain threshold that calls into play the fast twitch fibers. THat threshold is 60% max. In my view, (fast twitch) strength and (fast twitch) endurance are the same. By increasing your ability to do work with a given load (endurance) you become able to handle heavier loads (strength). For this reason, I believe that training for fatigue is optimum for hypertrophy. One consideration however, is maximum firing rate of the type IIb fibers. They do not maximally fire at less than 80% 1rep max load. However, quick movement with a 60-80% load will maximally fire them. So, I like accellerated (not ballistic or cheat reps) with loads less than 80%. The reps will naturally slow as the workout continues. I didn't invent this idea, it's how the volume trainers of old got big lifting "light" weights.
Thus, by adding volume using the same weight you can induce hypertrophy, however eventually your time will run out or you'll exceed your CNS' ability to recover between workouts and overtraining will occur. That's not a great option.
Better, in my opinion is to find the minimum volume nec. to induce muscular fatigue in your target muscle and use that. I like 3 sets of 10. When you can achieve 3 sets of 10, increase the weight. You'll transfer your endurance to strength and hypertropy will occur. This way you avoid using heavy weights that can be tough on the body and achieve strength and hypertrophy. That's not to say that heavy training should always be avoided. It can be used in an overall program.
Thus, by adding volume using the same weight you can induce hypertrophy, however eventually your time will run out or you'll exceed your CNS' ability to recover between workouts and overtraining will occur. That's not a great option.
Better, in my opinion is to find the minimum volume nec. to induce muscular fatigue in your target muscle and use that. I like 3 sets of 10. When you can achieve 3 sets of 10, increase the weight. You'll transfer your endurance to strength and hypertropy will occur. This way you avoid using heavy weights that can be tough on the body and achieve strength and hypertrophy. That's not to say that heavy training should always be avoided. It can be used in an overall program.
dumbbellpress said:
thanks bro,
I hear you and agree. The juice will trick you at times, that sore joint will feel fine all of a sudden(I think it is because the fluid u are retaining is lubricating it) so you start pushing heavier weight, then you come off and that same joint feels worse then when u started.
