Skin Thread Over 40

[LoremIpsum9921]

Topical test more readily converts to dht which can lead to hair loss in women. Something to be aware of. Idk any women who use topical test for skin health, and if it’s injectable prop, that’s not gonna absorb the same. It doesn’t make sense that topicals would have esters. Esters make products oil soluble and affect absorption rates, not how deep something goes topically.

Any estrogen that’s not affecting bloods is likely the .01% formulation, or the weaker estriol, both designed to stay local. I’ve never heard of any topical test formulations that don’t become systemic in women.

I’m a woman pretty heavily into skincare, use hrt/trt, and injectable prop. The only topical hormones I use for skin health are non systemic estradiol and occasionally a facial oil that contains progesterone as an ingredient with other things.

I mix the 0.06 percent estradiol gel with some base creme (currently a copper peptide serum) to achieve a lower concentration. It's probably a ratio of one part of the estradiol creme to two or three parts of the serum.

No systemic side effects, my estrogen is still on the lower end of the reference range. I guess the area of the face is too small and there are also some studies (take a look at the reddit link I posted before, they are linked there) that show no systemic absorption with facial application.

 

[Swedishsteel]

I'm not sure what to think about topical test. I thought that the general consensus is that (injected) androgens age your face and that's also my own experience

Seems like to high test ages collagen and regular trt doses increase collagen ala 80-120 mg per week and 200mg + causes aging

 

[Swedishsteel]

Topical test more readily converts to dht which can lead to hair loss in women. Something to be aware of. Idk any women who use topical test for skin health, and if it’s injectable prop, that’s not gonna absorb the same. It doesn’t make sense that topicals would have esters. Esters make products oil soluble and affect absorption rates, not how deep something goes topically.

Any estrogen that’s not affecting bloods is likely the .01% formulation, or the weaker estriol, both designed to stay local. I’ve never heard of any topical test formulations that don’t become systemic in women.

I’m a woman pretty heavily into skincare, use hrt/trt, and injectable prop. The only topical hormones I use for skin health are non systemic estradiol and occasionally a facial oil that contains progesterone as an ingredient with other things.

I think the doc that recomend the test cream uses test prop as prop wont become systemic. you wouldent want a test cream that gets taken up topical n goes systemic

That is at least the idea behind it. now females need testosterone as well and not just prog/estrogen as trt (as you prob know as you are on test trt as well)

 

[LoremIpsum9921]

Seems like to high test ages collagen and regular trt doses increase collagen ala 80-120 mg per week and 200mg + causes aging

So just having a maintaining a normal test (and this estrogen) level.
Not sure how this translates to topical application, since the dermis receives far higher concentrations of an active if used topically. I guess topical test would correspond to grams of injected test.

 

[Swedishsteel]

So just take Test Prop and rub it on the skin? or should it be mixed with some other medium?

Prob very important to not get to much, i would mimic the serum that sold in the skincare industry. dont remember the doc that promotes it but should be easy to find and read the reddit reviews on it

Seen some girls being mad about him and how it will ruin you as it contains test but then saw the entire ester thing being explained and how the prop ester is specifically used to block systemic uptake

 

[Superchicken]

I mix the 0.06 percent estradiol gel with some base creme (currently a copper peptide serum) to achieve a lower concentration. It's probably a ratio of one part of the estradiol creme to two or three parts of the serum.

No systemic side effects, my estrogen is still on the lower end of the reference range. I guess the area of the face is too small and there are also some studies (take a look at the reddit link I posted before, they are linked there) that show no systemic absorption with facial application.

I went and looked. Out of those studies, the ones that weren’t systemic therapy were the .01% estradiol and the .3% estriol, neither which will affect serum levels. All of the rest was systemic topical or oral therapy. I suspect that you mixing with the cream is what’s saving you. As a man, I would not gamble with systemic estrogens. A large part of why I use injx is to prevent the risk of contamination amongst the males and animals in my house.

Men tend to have thicker skin and fewer wrinkles because of how collagen is affected by testosterone. I’m not familiar with any hormonal treatments for men in regards to skin health, and though it’s working for you, wouldn’t suggest any man use topical estrogens. There are plenty of other options that are efficacious without the risk. Microneedling is #1 imo used with retinols.

 

[LoremIpsum9921]

I went and looked. Out of those studies, the ones that weren’t systemic therapy were the .01% estradiol and the .3% estriol, neither which will affect serum levels. All of the rest was systemic topical or oral therapy. I suspect that you mixing with the cream is what’s saving you. As a man, I would not gamble with systemic estrogens. A large part of why I use injx is to prevent the risk of contamination amongst the males and animals in my house.

Men tend to have thicker skin and fewer wrinkles because of how collagen is affected by testosterone. I’m not familiar with any hormonal treatments for men in regards to skin health, and though it’s working for you, wouldn’t suggest any man use topical estrogens. There are plenty of other options that are efficacious without the risk. Microneedling is #1 imo used with retinols.

It's definitely risky and there is no research for topical estrogen for men.
I can just say that my skin got definitely better from it. I'm into skincare since a couple of years and tried from derma rolling, red light therapy to Korean rejuran (salmon sperm DNA) meso injections quite a lot of treatments, and topical estrogen is definitely a top contender that rivals tretinoin.

But my baseline was already quite high with clear skin and no wrinkles. My skin is now more youthfully "bouncy" and has more volume and no it's not water retention from high estrogen

 

[Superchicken]

It's definitely risky and there is no research for topical estrogen for men.
I can just say that my skin got definitely better from it. I'm into skincare since a couple of years and tried from derma rolling, red light therapy to Korean rejuran (salmon sperm DNA) meso injections quite a lot of treatments, and topical estrogen is definitely a top contender that rivals tretinoin.

But my baseline was already quite high with clear skin and no wrinkles. My skin is now more youthfully "bouncy" and has more volume and no it's not water retention from high estrogen

I do find this interesting, just would be stressed if my husband tried it. Do you think it could be the other things you’ve done that contribute to the positives you’ve seen? Like how the copper is well studied for skin benefits. Do you use an AI? I’ve never found topical estradiol to give any major benefits, but figured it’s because of all the other things I already do. I’m vain though and will continue to use it jic.

Since you’re into Korean skincare, I’m not an affiliate, but I shared codes for different Korean vendors on a thread about glutathione. The diy skincare Reddit subs have codes for vendors, too. I just google a vendor + discount code and it’ll pull up the posts.

You’re smart taking care of your skin before it looks like it needs help. Nobody ever thinks I’m in my 40s, but I’ve been obsessed with skincare and sun protection for most of my life. It’s paid off.

 

[LoremIpsum9921]

I do find this interesting, just would be stressed if my husband tried it. Do you think it could be the other things you’ve done that contribute to the positives you’ve seen? Like how the copper is well studied for skin benefits. Do you use an AI? I’ve never found topical estradiol to give any major benefits, but figured it’s because of all the other things I already do. I’m vain though and will continue to use it jic.

Since you’re into Korean skincare, I’m not an affiliate, but I shared codes for different Korean vendors on a thread about glutathione. The diy skincare Reddit subs have codes for vendors, too. I just google a vendor + discount code and it’ll pull up the posts.

You’re smart taking care of your skin before it looks like it needs help. Nobody ever thinks I’m in my 40s, but I’ve been obsessed with skincare and sun protection for most of my life. It’s paid off.

I can relate, I was also stressed when I applied estrogen on my face as a guy. But luckily it turned out well.
I'm not using an AI and currently I'm just on HCG monotherapy and my last cycle happened more than a year ago.

I'm pretty sure it's the estrogen. Copper peptides, tretinoin, topical Vitamin c, red light therapy etc where introduced months/years before estrogen and had enough time to show effects.

I also thought about using glutathione, but not sure if there is any meaningful advantage over its precursors nac and glycine.

Hopefully if also pays of for me when im in my 40s
Skincare is for me honestly the most important part regarding my appearance. Being big is nice, but if I look in the morning into a mirror the first thing I see is my face not my biceps and for most people the face is just the most important body part.

 

[2lanes]

Any body moisturizer recommendations?