Not defending stans test here no agenda either way but I've mentioned this before but if you are taking primo along with test it will cut your total test by up to half on bloods. Primo cuts total T on a lab test, boosts free T and cuts E2. On 210 test I'm 1500+ but if I add 100mg of primo per week I'm 900-1000 while my free T goes up. My E2 also goes from 60 to the teens. Good for thought when pulling bloods and this may also happen with other compounds both ways IDK.
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Diixencider
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or just stop being a fat ass and eat less
Tbaz192
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Hmmm that sounds like someone with an agenda… jk
Ghoul
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You'd be better off adding 5mg to the Tirz dose. Those who've used both UGL and pharma Tirz almost universally agree UGL has a shorter half life and lower potency. There are likely reasons for this I won't bother getting into (again), but 20mg UGL is closer to the 15mg pharma dose max in terms of effectiveness, by my and other's first hand experience.
I don't see how it's possible to have an 880 total test with and SHBG of 14.6 and a free T of 50+. It seems mathematically impossible. The test has to be off IMO.
I agree - that’s exactly why I asked if LabCorp could’ve messed something up, and I already scheduled new bloodwork with Quest for Monday.
We’ll see what comes back from that.
Maybe they just forgot to add a zero and it was supposed to be 8800… who knows!
Its the "direct" IA free T test. Basically worthless. Next time get the equilibrium dialysis for uncapped estimate that is as good as we got right now. Or use Vermeulen fT calculator.
Good plan to retest TT. You have the right assay...LCMS. probably messed it up given your dosage.
Iron_Yuppie
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I’ve indeed seen you say this nonsense before, and now I’m going to ask you to explain in as much detail as possible (with supporting evidence) how you believe that primo either removes testosterone from the blood stream or otherwise masks its appearance on an LC/MS-MS assay.
Primo possesses the ion source / quadrupole on the mass spec like a demon and reduces the ionization of Testosterone. Well documented in the literature.
Metenolone possession of LCMS ion source in Total Testosterone assessments. Phys. Rev. Lett., 12, 15-29, 1971.
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BamaCrazy
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This has to be true. You cited a source. Haha
How long did it take for your labcorp results? Mine took 2 weeks. I wonder if they are messing something up and they have a trainee at the wheel. There can’t be that many labs that do the special >1500 test. I doubt it is ordered that frequently.
15 days for me too - I specifically selected the uncapped test through Fitomics.
I already started getting suspicious when they told me they couldn’t run the sensitive estradiol because there wasn’t enough blood drawn… like, what?!
Like I said earlier - in the end, I tried to save money and ended up spending more: $30 subscription, $220 for the Fitomics labs, and now another $100 for new tests.
Alias Chosen
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That’s not true and honestly pretty misleading. i ran 250mg of test e with 150mg of primo, and after 9 weeks, my total t was 1500 and free t was 50. It was probably higher, but labcorp caps the results. I’m not saying your numbers are fake, but unless you’ve got hard data to back that claim, i wouldn’t put it out there. I’ve never seen primo lower total test, maybe tren or deca, but not primo.
There is no way we can prove it even if I show you the bloods. How could you possibly know what I'm injecting? The reasons I know this is from substantial bloods running TRT+ primo and then cycling with testosterone and primobolan. You don't have to believe me but I'm willing to bet a number of guys who really pay attention and get consistent bloods will see this is the case.
Corsair
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All good mate, my last order from you despite these hectic times came fast as fuck. Usually it takes 2 weeks but i had it within a week, ya'll are doing great despite the craziness. Im probably gonna order again just for extra back up. Trying to get a 5+ year stock in case of whatever the fuck is happening these days.
CharlesV
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there are a ton of anecdotal reports that folks running higher mgs of Tirz are particularly stubborn when hopping on Reta. you may not see any benefit at all with Reta at 2mg…probably not until the dose is much higher.
nobody would recommend hopping on Reta at 6mg, 8mg, and beyond…just don’t be surprised if that’s where you have titrate up to. Ghoul laid out a reasonable alternative - but you do you.
Sicsemptyran
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I am a bit of a lucky one I suppose as a hyperresponder. 2mg of retatrutide (even after an adjustment period) has my appetite completely nuked. Could never imagine going towards the max clinical dose of any of the GLP-1s.
Ghoul
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A sign you either produce high levels of those incretin hormones (GLP/GIP/Glucagon), or you have high sensitivity to them. Either way, it's a good indicator of naturally robust metabolic health.
I have 2 months worth of 15mg mounjaro pens
And def agree.. 15 ugl tirz killed appetite for only 3 days and not even by alot. Mounjaro 15mg kills it for 6 days by alot I can barely eat two sushi rolls
Sicsemptyran
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Fasting insulin has always been under 5 and by DEXA and MRI have never been found to have even an ounce of visceral fat, so would not be surprised if that is correct. Not meant as a brag whatsoever, definitely live healthier than most but in no ways healthier than all, definitely some lucky genetics at play.
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