Staple Supplements YOU should be taking!

[Raider72]

HCG from a TRT standpoint pretty legit though

 

[MindlessWork]

HCG from a TRT standpoint pretty legit though

And I just may look into using it

 

[ShredMN]

Ok I'm lying a bit, the sheath comes off to fill the pin but then I put it back on while its heating up.
Edit: no actually it doesn't come off cuz I use an 18 to draw and a 23 to shoot. Lol confused myself there

I'm sorry but this is not a list of supplements one SHOULD be taking.

1) whey protein is completely unnecessary if you already are getting adequate protein from other sources. If you're deficient In protein great, take some and up your intake. If you're not deficient in protein adding whey will do nothing for you.

2) creatine is great and has plenty of science to support it's efficacy. It's hard to get the same level of creatine through diet as with supplementation but this alone doesn't mean you should take it. Would it help, sure if you're a responder to it, but that alone doesn't mean you should take it.

3) most multis are worthless. Even the decent ones aren't worth much/overpriced considering if you simply eat a balanced diet you're already getting what you need. You're making the fallacy of assuming more is always better which is not the case. Just bc Mg is needed for over 300 bodily functions doesn't mean you need anymore of it than you're currently getting. You have no idea what's optimal in terms of vitamin intake since it can vary dramatically through the diet. Without focusing on dietary deficiencies or sufficiencies youre simply throwing shit on a wall and hoping it sticks. Again, not something that SHOULD be taken or even considered a staple.

4) dextrose is poor way to spend your money and worthless. Yes glucose elicits an insulin response but that doesn't mean buying dextrose is warranted. He'll any carb source or protein source will elicit an insulin response. You fail to mention why dextrose is needed as a pre or post workout carb source, why it's beneficial for any reason, etc.

5) your betaine anhydrous claims are based on insufficient research. A few studies have shown potential benefits while many others have shown none. You mention one benefit as increasing synthesis of creatine yet before that you mention creatine supplementation. Creatine supplementation will already FULLY SATURATE skeletal muscle tissue with creatine if taken 2-5g daily. Meaning even if you increase it's synthesis in the body with betaine, it cannot be stored bc you're already saturated with it. You also say it's for added strength on top of creatine but that's funny bc studies have shown no additional benefit of betaine supplementation with co-intake of creatine in regards to ergogenics.

6) citrulline mallate has the same argument as betaine, it helps creatine synthesis but you already mentioned supplemental creatine which makes this a moot point aka waste if money. What exactly are you proposing that nitric oxide does that warrants it being a staple supplement? To date there are only two studies showing positive ergogenic effects of citrulline and one of them is a finger flexion study....yes you read that correct, finger flexion.

7) BCAAs are worthless when consuming adequate protein. And if you are protein deficient, whey has many benefits over bcaa making them that much more a waste of money. Yes mTor is responsible for protein synthesis but it's also responsible for lipid synthesis as well. Catch 22 anyone? Not only leucine activates mTor though. Oxygen levels, energy levels, growth factors, and amino acids activate mTor. With adequate protein intake there's absolutely no reason to need BCAAs. You also neglected to mention how glutamine levels are essential to leucine activating mTor since glutamine acts as the transporter for leucine into the cell.

Good, constructive post, Doc.

Should have honestly named the post differently.
"Common supplements found in sports nutrition products," would have probably been more appropriate.

Whey protein, on a gram per gram basis, is an extremely convenient and effective source of protein to maximize MPS in the postworkout phase.

And yeah, I did mention three things that all relate to creatine synthesis or supplementation. I don't take citrulline for creatine synthesis, but for a pump. Nitric oxide won't directly do anything as far as performance enhancement goes, but a nice pump does have some psychological benefits that may or may not enhance your workout.

The reason I mentioned magnesium was to illustrate the poor quality of our soil for growing nutritious crops. That is a fact that cannot be overlooked. Industrial agricultural practices have wreaked havoc upon our soil and it's mineral content, and the minerals come from the soil and not the food, as I'm sure you're aware. Supplemental vitamins, and especially minerals, do have a place in my opinion... But the subject of that is highly controversial.

Dextrose is pretty cheap as well, so I wouldn't say it's a poor way to spend money, but to each their own. It's also definitely not needed, but does serve a purpose for postworkout nutrition. But... A banana would suffice just as well.

Also, mind elaborating on glutamine... and more specifically your thoughts on it as a supplement. I never take my glutamine that's sitting in my cupboard, but maybe you can give me a reason to start using it before it expires (if it hasn't already).

Like I said, my title was not very appropriate. Thanks again for the constructive criticism, It's nice to have a debate that isn't full of insults.

 

[ShredMN]

HCG is a scam period...urologist friend of mine laughed at me when I tell him what I see people say about it on aas forums

Yeah, I'd honestly rather not inject a hormone into my body that is produced by placentas...

 

[ShredMN]

Totally concur with this...why so much money people waste on this crap its ridiculous. All it takes to get big is to get your fat ass into the gym regularly and working out on a consistent basis as well as eating decently.

I do agree with you, but some supplements are definitely beneficial... Obviously they won't make or break your gains, but they can assist you to a certain degree. Nothing replaces proper diet and training, though.

Now stop taking steroids and buy cellucor's p6 black! It's better than gear... /endsarcasm

 

[nowandagain]

some good info thanks

 

[ShredMN]

I wish I could change the title to "Luxury Supplements That Can Benefit You."

The current title comes off as pretentious, and that wasn't my intention when writing it.

 

[dnoyez]

The lesson learned here..And rehashed over and over(But every time ever so true) Take the time to look at the classic bodybuilders..look at the eras before any of the muscletech hype.It wasn't needed then and not now either.Food and water and stimulus ...that's it.

 

[ShredMN]

The lesson learned here..And rehashed over and over(But every time ever so true) Take the time to look at the classic bodybuilders..look at the eras before any of the muscletech hype.It wasn't needed then and not now either.Food and water and stimulus ...that's it.

The classic bodybuilders of the Golden Era also took supplements. They just didn't have the MuscleTechs of the world around to try and sell over-priced, useless supplements to unsuspecting people.

I can state without a question of doubt that Lou Ferrigno, as well as Frank Zane, both supplemented with various things.

Don't be so quick to write off all supplements as useless based upon the fact that a lot on today's market are garbage... Obviously nothing replaces eating correctly, training hard and resting properly.

 

[dnoyez]

Nobody wrote anything off.

 

[ShredMN]

Sorry, misread your post.

I do agree with you that all that you need to do is train hard and eat enough real food.

I do like my luxury supplements, though.

 

[dnoyez]

Sorry, misread your post.

I do agree with you that all that you need to do is train hard and eat enough real food.

I do like my luxury supplements, though.

No problem man not gonna lie I still like them just like I still like my old BB books...it never leaves you.

 

[TyroneMoreGains]

Zinc Picolinate
Selenium
Kelp
Magnesium
Vitamin D
Calcium
Those are in my list

 

[MANWHORE]

Metamucil is my absolute NUMBER 1 supplement .. no shit

M

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Yea I wasn't serious about the diet lol. The concept is pretty funny though: take some HCG and eat 500calories a day and you "magically" lose weight

A friend of mine, well educated, senior corporate job, his wife has a PhD - they both went on this HCG drops "diet" and sure they lost weight. And when I got the details I did a triple "what?" when I heard about the 500 cal per day restriction. I don't have enough hands for that kind of face palm.

Edit: oops, old thread, still, good content. I was looking for insights on some supplements. I am whittling down my own supplement stash, trying to decide what's truly worthwhile. Some winners are vitamin D, magnesium, and flushing niacin - those WORK.

 

[Tmisatix]

Adaptogens make you feel amazing. Ashwaghanda was a life changer for me.

 

[Ironlord]

Currently running vitamin d3, CoQ10, zinc, omegas, bcaa, highly cyclic dextrin, whey isolate, micellar casein at night, glutamine... Still looking to add a few more things..

 

[Dr JIM]

food organic multi)


Optional:

-DAA (3g a day for a natural test booster)

Enjoy!

Did I miss something bc as supplements aren't they ALL optional?

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm sorry but this is not a list of supplements one SHOULD be taking.

1) whey protein is completely unnecessary if you already are getting adequate protein from other sources. If you're deficient In protein great, take some and up your intake. If you're not deficient in protein adding whey will do nothing for you.

2) creatine is great and has plenty of science to support it's efficacy. It's hard to get the same level of creatine through diet as with supplementation but this alone doesn't mean you should take it. Would it help, sure if you're a responder to it, but that alone doesn't mean you should take it.

3) most multis are worthless. Even the decent ones aren't worth much/overpriced considering if you simply eat a balanced diet you're already getting what you need. You're making the fallacy of assuming more is always better which is not the case. Just bc Mg is needed for over 300 bodily functions doesn't mean you need anymore of it than you're currently getting. You have no idea what's optimal in terms of vitamin intake since it can vary dramatically through the diet. Without focusing on dietary deficiencies or sufficiencies youre simply throwing shit on a wall and hoping it sticks. Again, not something that SHOULD be taken or even considered a staple.

4) dextrose is poor way to spend your money and worthless. Yes glucose elicits an insulin response but that doesn't mean buying dextrose is warranted. He'll any carb source or protein source will elicit an insulin response. You fail to mention why dextrose is needed as a pre or post workout carb source, why it's beneficial for any reason, etc.

5) your betaine anhydrous claims are based on insufficient research. A few studies have shown potential benefits while many others have shown none. You mention one benefit as increasing synthesis of creatine yet before that you mention creatine supplementation. Creatine supplementation will already FULLY SATURATE skeletal muscle tissue with creatine if taken 2-5g daily. Meaning even if you increase it's synthesis in the body with betaine, it cannot be stored bc you're already saturated with it. You also say it's for added strength on top of creatine but that's funny bc studies have shown no additional benefit of betaine supplementation with co-intake of creatine in regards to ergogenics.

6) citrulline mallate has the same argument as betaine, it helps creatine synthesis but you already mentioned supplemental creatine which makes this a moot point aka waste if money. What exactly are you proposing that nitric oxide does that warrants it being a staple supplement? To date there are only two studies showing positive ergogenic effects of citrulline and one of them is a finger flexion study....yes you read that correct, finger flexion.

7) BCAAs are worthless when consuming adequate protein. And if you are protein deficient, whey has many benefits over bcaa making them that much more a waste of money. Yes mTor is responsible for protein synthesis but it's also responsible for lipid synthesis as well. Catch 22 anyone? Not only leucine activates mTor though. Oxygen levels, energy levels, growth factors, and amino acids activate mTor. With adequate protein intake there's absolutely no reason to need BCAAs. You also neglected to mention how glutamine levels are essential to leucine activating mTor since glutamine acts as the transporter for leucine into the cell.

Agreed @Docd187123 with one proviso, bc the protein bioavailability of many food stuffsmis more limited than currently available "hydrolyzed" whey or casein products such supps offer the greatest benefit.

We might also want to acknowledge bc the "diet" of many recreational cyclists varies little from the "typical American diet" that is high in fillers such as fat and carbs, few ingest enough protein for optimal benefit, expecting PEDs to cover the shortfall.

Regs
Jim

 

[tenpoundsleft]

few ingest enough protein for optimal benefit, expecting PEDs to cover the shortfall.

Regs
Jim

Yeah, there was a joker on here that had donuts for breakfast, lettuce for lunch, and whatever was on the table for dinner - and he thought AAS was his next step to BB success. And no, he's crowding 40, so no age excuse.

Donuts....