Steroid SURVEY, please help educate the medical community!!

[BEEFarmer]

Below is a link for a DR friend of mine's scientific survey.

Please take some time and fill it out HONESTLY.

It is 100% COMPLETELY anonymous!!!

He will use it to research the real-world use of AS by BBers and fitness men/women around the globe.

Once finished, the results are going to be published in some of the scientific communities TOP peer-reviewed journals!

The more people we get to fill this out, the sooner the medical community will be educated on this subject and learn to help us in our quest for size and strength. IE- blood work , drugs to combat the side effects, easy access to syringes/pins and possibly even the prescription of AS for BB use!!

TIME TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.......THANK YOU.



http://www.xanon.net/survey/

 

[BEEFarmer]

After you fill it out, please keep this thread BUMPED and at the top for all to see!!!

thanks again

I already did my part

 

[joe5572]

After you fill it out, please keep this thread BUMPED and at the top for all to see!!!

thanks again

I already did my part

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[The-Juice-Man]

My thoughts

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As I was filling this out I began to think if people in the Law inforcement got a hold of this they would know where to put there efforts to catch the Ug labs, sources and such. Just a thought though.

 

[kemo]

O.k

Is it possible we could find out a little more about who is reading this survey? If it is someone that is going to publish the findings, it is doubtful they would really care about letting it be known who they are....

Just my thoughts....

Kemo

 

[Dart]

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Thud!

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[seand95]

im not doing this. im sure the wrong people already know enough about the steriod business, but this survey might help them in their effort to "crack down" on us.

 

[BEEFarmer]

You Guys Are Paranoid!!

LOL

What do you want, a get out of jail free card to go with it??!?? LMAO!!!


Seriously, he is a GOOD friend of mine who just got his MD from a medical school. He has been involved in BB and fitness for many years. He has friends who have juiced and used the accessory drugs that go along with it. He loves the sport itself, and hates how WE (the BB community) can not get help to protect us like bloodwork, anti-e, cholesterol meds, etc from KNOWLEDGEABLE Doctors like himself.

Other MD's never studied about it in school, certainly never used it themselves, and all they know about AS and using it for BB is......... its totally "illegal", immoral, and most of them fear the possible ramifications by the DEA and government for even talking about it with most patients.

As most of you know, just mentioning your AS use to a Doctor (asking to get blood work or prescriptions) could get back to your med. insurance and they would say "NOT COVERED" to related and NON-related illnessed down the road. Heart, kidney, liver, thyroid, and many other health problems 5-10 even 20 years down the road could hypothetically be related (According to THEM)to testosterone use. BYE BYE medical coverage.

God help you if degenerative heart failure runs in your family!

The word could spread you are a "user" and possibly a "law breaker" to many business, insurance companies, and other people in your community. None of us want that!

I am sure privacy is most important.

But just as the Medical community wants to educate us about many things we do NOT know about, we should do the same for them.

Its the only way our hobby and AS use will get looked upon in a different light. Possibly even get laws changed!!



BUMP!!


BTW- I will check with Mr. MD and get his info for the nay-sayers out there. IF he says its ok, feel free to check him out (email, phone, whatever) I am sure he would do anything to settle your guys nerves over this.

Trust me,its TOTALLY LEGIT and PRIVATE!!!

He is ONE OF US!

 

[VDC]

After watching King of the Hill(Peggy was dosing her husband with Test Undecanoate caps) last night,,,I was convinced that the world will never overcome all of the misinformation about aas,,,This move is in the right direction,,,but has the government ever gone back on any drug they outlawed???VDC

 

[sc redneck]

remove

why does the good doc want to know where my shit comes from and how I get it....................

 

[BEEFarmer]

My DR friend obviously wants to know WHERE and HOW you get your products so he can educate the medical community!

What are you guys missing here?


Lets say he has 5000 people who take the survey. 500 say they get it domestic (thru back doors or from friends) and 4500 say they order thru someone overseas who "claims" to sell real steroids.

This is statistically significant because most "educated" people think that counterfeits (not made by a LICENSED lab) take up about 80-90% of all blackmarket drugs. Even more than that come from europe I am sure.

So, if the word gets out where most of these drugs come from, he can try to convince the medical community that its in OUR (the patients) best interest to be able to get PRESCRIBED legit AS from US based pharmacy's and/or manufacturers. This would definitely cut down on some of the absess/infections I read some of you guys get from UG made garbage.





***If you are worried that THIS information is new (getting stuff from overseas) and it will cause the DEA and Customs to crack down more on mail, think again! They already know 90-95% of all AS come from either Mexico or overseas. They have known this even BEFORE Bill Phillips and that stupid Muscle Media article back in the early 90's.

This study is for the men and women who are trying to bring AS use (for health and fitness) into the norm for us.

The more they know from real world results, the more they can come to grips with how popular this type of hobby is; and, better be able to give us the health coverage and prescription drugs we need to stay healthy and prevent side effects.



PS- you dont have to say "OL Skouvara, po box 666, Switzerland" for your source. lol, just say a REAL licensed company from overseas (if you used Organon) or a non-licensed overseas "net" source. SIMPLE

 

[BEEFarmer]

FYI-

xanon.net is on a server owned and operated by a BB Mod .

He started it because he was tired of the scares people get (sources and customers) when they use the free web-based emails like Yahoo, Hotmail, Aol, etc.

You know there is always the chance of that company (MSN, YAHOO, AOL) being subpoena'd when there is a big drug bust of someone who was buying or selling products thru that email server.

Most of those companies keep all emails for a certain time (even if you delete it from your inbox), histories, and log IP addresses, membership information, etc. Eveything the FEDS need to catch you.


His members information: IP numbers, past histories, temp folders, sent messages, read messages, etc are all DELETED and WIPED on a daily basis!!This keeps everyone who uses his server 100% SAFE.


Naturally, if the survey is on XANON, you know its LEGIT

 

[BEEFarmer]

Ok fella's here is the info you wanted.

Straight from the horses mouth.........



"tell them to LOOK at the study, my name and the other doc are on the first God**** page. LOL.

They can plug either of those names into the california medical board website and see that we are both liscenced physicians in the state of california."

NOW VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!!!! err, participate I mean

THANKS!

 

[bear747474]

Bump...

 

[BEEFarmer]

Keep This Up!!

thanks

 

[Gorillag]

VDC only once that I can remember that was alcohol. But then again 90% of the population use it so mucho tax dollars.

 

[apollojay]

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[BEEFarmer]

There has been almost 500 of us who have taken the survey! good job guys.

Now lets see if we can make the results more accurate and get it to 1000!!

Tell your friends, tell your buddies, tell your pals. Lets get these filled out ASAP so my MD can analyze and publish the results.

thanks

 

[demeurj]

The survey will certainly help characterize what's really going on but I seriously doubt it will affect medical practice and certainly not medical education. It's only been a few short years since we stopped whacking little boy's tallywhackers. Hell some physicians STILL think babies don't feel and/or remember pain. Change comes at a glacial pace in our field.

The little hope the AAS community has comes from drug and alcohol treatment. The medical model has essentially won and there's very little debate that addictions to these substances requires medical attention (in addition to community resources). Unfortunately, many states will still throw your arse in jail for simple possession. And now with the commander-in-chief (a former polysubstance abuser himself) has decided to jump on the steroid morality bandwagon . . . suppport for responsible AAS use will remain out of reach.

As most of you know, just mentioning your AS use to a Doctor (asking to get blood work or prescriptions) could get back to your med. insurance and they would say "NOT COVERED" to related and NON-related illnessed down the road. Heart, kidney, liver, thyroid, and many other health problems 5-10 even 20 years down the road could hypothetically be related (According to THEM)to testosterone use. BYE BYE medical coverage.

Doctors are people to . . . well sort of. We have the same issues of personal morality as anyone else. But when it comes to your medical record you have a right to request that certain information be excluded from your medical record. An MD might refuse to continue providing care but I'm willing to bet that the majority would honor your request. Hell you could even tell him/her to put a little AAS in the corner . . . which would be meaningless to the typical chart review by a hospital or insurance company. But it's a double edged sword b/c if it's not documented it doesn't exist. And a chart review for a guy getting 'scripts for clomid, nolvadex, arimidex, and femara is pretty damn hard to explain. Furthermore, if something goes wrong the doctor is in deep poo.

As for lab work it is incumbent upon the AAS user to be thoroughly checked out BEFORE they start and to get annual checkups to head off problems. But let's be honest, T3, T4, clen, slin, var, deca, eq, clomid, arimidex, gh, dnp, et al were NEVER intended to be used in such fashions. For God's sake guys, you are using anti-cancer drugs tested against ovarian and breast cancer. Doctors aren't dumb (well at least not most of us) and we genuinely care about all our patients . . . even the ones that drink, smoke, shoot up (bad stuff), don't exercise, or eat 'braut and beer for breakfast. But the activity you are describing is still illegal and carries clear health consequences . . . until the former changes it will be an uphill battle to improve the latter.

 

[moralanimal]

Unfortunetly some people progress past use, misue, abuse and at times become dependent on as. you can see it in some of the posts and we all know that guy in the gym who can't afford rent but still manages to stay on. the medical community has a skewed preception on juice and psychiatric community (including the addicitons field) barely acknowledge it. in the event you or one of your buddies need help you will in many cases need to first educate the doc or psychologist treating you. better someone with honest intentions publish research then NIDA who is looking for more grant money.