I have just come off zoloft/ sertraline as they call it here in the UK after 3 years of being on it for anxiety which went back to my teenage years from 2 bad LSD trips, it's like the anxiety I felt in them trips has stayed with me or it unlocked it in my brain to always be there. I managed to reduce my dose from 150mg over a couple of months to eventually stop them, they was making me sooooo tired permanently that I would just want to sleep most of the time. From research I've done there is evidence ssri can increase prolactin levels. I've not been using gear for long, less than 1 year and feel great so far since stopping the tablets, anxiety is still holding off after suffering all these years. You don't realise how much they dampen your natural emotions until your off them, they make you not have a care in the world in a sense. I now feel like a little bitch sometimes when something emotional happens on TV, the rush of my natural emotions building up, its mad. I'm glad I got off them and hope I continue to feel great.
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adamcarpenter
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Here is where I’m coming from.
We are all liars cheats and thieves by default. We are all losers before becoming winners. The world acts upon us before we develop the skills to successfully act upon the world.
To be depressed and nervous and anxious is absolutely normal. Because by default if we have no skills or limited skills, we all starve to death.
To overcome these things you must become capable of carrying a great burden. It has been my life’s work to overcome these things. I want to feel good all the time. I want to have a high self esteem, and lots of confidence in myself and my ability to overcome challenges. I want to be the guy that other guys want to be and girls want to be with, and I want to feel that way without deceiving myself.
This is hard to do. It has always been hard to do, it will always be hard to do. If I take an antidepressant or something for anxiety, I am deceiving myself to some degree. Becoming dependent on a doctor or a drug will lower my self esteem and make me weaker, even if it makes me feel better.
I chose to abstain from those kinds of drugs, and instead look for better ways to carry my burden. Over time I have gotten stronger and more capable than I would have if I had just medicated myself.
I was miserable for most of my life. I am not miserable anymore. We are all miserable to start with. It has taken many years to become the man I am today, and I feel like I just got started.
If you feel the need to take medication, it’s your choice. I think it’s short sighted, because you can’t learn to overcome your suffering by avoiding it.
That’s my perspective.
We are all liars cheats and thieves by default. We are all losers before becoming winners. The world acts upon us before we develop the skills to successfully act upon the world.
To be depressed and nervous and anxious is absolutely normal. Because by default if we have no skills or limited skills, we all starve to death.
To overcome these things you must become capable of carrying a great burden. It has been my life’s work to overcome these things. I want to feel good all the time. I want to have a high self esteem, and lots of confidence in myself and my ability to overcome challenges. I want to be the guy that other guys want to be and girls want to be with, and I want to feel that way without deceiving myself.
This is hard to do. It has always been hard to do, it will always be hard to do. If I take an antidepressant or something for anxiety, I am deceiving myself to some degree. Becoming dependent on a doctor or a drug will lower my self esteem and make me weaker, even if it makes me feel better.
I chose to abstain from those kinds of drugs, and instead look for better ways to carry my burden. Over time I have gotten stronger and more capable than I would have if I had just medicated myself.
I was miserable for most of my life. I am not miserable anymore. We are all miserable to start with. It has taken many years to become the man I am today, and I feel like I just got started.
If you feel the need to take medication, it’s your choice. I think it’s short sighted, because you can’t learn to overcome your suffering by avoiding it.
That’s my perspective.
While there is a certain harshness to what you wrote I can’t say I fully disagree with you. The part where I do is not everyone can do what you did and that mindset isn’t something that everyone can have and the fact that we are all different is why you can’t make a cookie cutter statement like that. I’m very similar to what you wrote. I have worked hard my whole life. Provide very well for a family that I no longer live with. A job that demands almost all of my time that I need to provide for said family. I’m keeping it very short and simple and certainly don’t want to put my personal life completely out in the open but what does someone do when they feel like they have given every last drop of themselves and feel like there is no light at the end. Maybe there isn’t. Or maybe a chemical change in mentality helps breaks past whatever these self inflicted barriers are. You’re not wrong but I think when it comes to mental health there is no one way to fix it. It’s far to broad.
WeightLossBurn
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Yes, that was the first thing I noticed a few days after stopping. Saw something on the news and had an emotional opinion to it. The second thing I noticed was my dick. I thought it was bad genetics or previously dancing with the white devil too much, but there it was in all it's glory.
WeightLossBurn
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I agree, that's why I stress everyone has a different story both physically and mentally. @Thegreek what career path have you chosen? An even more personal question, what caused the separation? If it was your butza, you have the element of guilt added to your mental health. If it was her mooney, than you have the element of revenge added to your mental health. Maybe it was simply stress and both parties gave up. How many kids in said family? Kids are great (sometimes), but they can definitely test a marriage.
Is the family thing recent? It's a good sign if it is. Because it makes sense to ruminate about it. Which means that time will do most of the healing. You don't see that because you may still be in a state of disbelief. I am not in the same situation, but your situation is common. I see many families separated that go onto live happy, healthy lives. Any big change like that can cause trauma. I even felt low my first semester away at college. No parents to answer to, lots of parties, good looking girls. But it was still a big change.
I think it will be helpful for you to connect with people on the board that went through separation. Newly separated because they will understand you. And separated for a while, as they can show you that it was a bump in the road that they were able to overcome.
nealcaffrey16
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short sighted to avoid something you require? that's weakness? sure. LMAO.
rarely do i get to enjoy such ego driven nonsense. you should just stop using gear then, too. how else can you carry the burden of otherwise natural T levels? of lesser-than-possible gym performance? life performance? Stop the gear bro. See how that shit doesn't work?
you're stigmatizing mental health for people, and are part of the problem why men have such reticence in sorting themselves out. GTFO of here with your red pill bullshit.
"adam: i will carry my burden because i am strong."
"also adam: i will refuse to admit i might need RX help to carry my burden, because I am too mentally weak to face this part of my ego that otherwise deters me from doing so."
I fucking can't.
rarely do i get to enjoy such ego driven nonsense. you should just stop using gear then, too. how else can you carry the burden of otherwise natural T levels? of lesser-than-possible gym performance? life performance? Stop the gear bro. See how that shit doesn't work?
you're stigmatizing mental health for people, and are part of the problem why men have such reticence in sorting themselves out. GTFO of here with your red pill bullshit.
"adam: i will carry my burden because i am strong."
"also adam: i will refuse to admit i might need RX help to carry my burden, because I am too mentally weak to face this part of my ego that otherwise deters me from doing so."
I fucking can't.
adamcarpenter
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It might sound harsh, but it’s what I’ve had to come to terms with. And I think it’s necessary, from a personal growth standpoint to come to terms with what life is and what life isn’t.
Obviously everyone’s experience is different, as we are all different. And if someone chooses to take medication, Im not going to look down on them. I know life is hard, really really hard, especially for men.
I accept how cruel and unforgiving life can be. How absolutely merciless and barbaric society treats men. It was hard to accept.
I married my high school sweetheart. Met her when I was 14. Married 20 years, 3 beautiful kids. Nice girl, church girl, very kind and considerate. About 6 years ago I started to find out who she really was. It took several years for the truth to come out (some of the truth). She had at least one affair that she admitted to, beginning around year 7 of our marriage. There were others she will not admit to. We separated a few years ago and have been divorced for a year or so now.
I know wickedness. I know weakness. I know malevolence and betrayal. I know suffering. I’m not special. I talk the way I talk and act the way I act because I chose to overcome my suffering, instead of running from it.
It’s hard, but the only way to learn how to overcome your suffering is to face it head on, day after day. Like lifting. You will get stronger. Your weaknesses will be exposed and it will be painful. It’s tough business, but it beats the alternative.
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adamcarpenter
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You sound emotional, and your argument is not clear.
Am I being hypocritical while using PEDs? No. Because I am not using them as a crutch.
I am not saying there is not a time and place for drugs to help stabilize a person. I’ve never said that.
I have tried to clearly express my perspective on the subject. You do not have to have the same perspective as me.
I am showing that there is an alternative to drug dependency to cope with life’s suffering.
If you have a problem with that, the problem is you.
nealcaffrey16
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when you say things like "I'm not using it as a crutch" and "you can't learn to overcome your suffering by avoiding it" - the implication is obvious. if I'm misreading, then my mistake, but my gut says you're just backpedaling now. I've been wrong before.
I go off on this topic not only from a personal level but by the few dozen IRL examples I have of seeing men in my life shit the bed because they hear bullshit like what you wrote. specifically, the negative connotation regarding psychiatric drugs. THAT is my only contention with your posts, and everything else I saw from you I agree with. I also commend a guy that has overcome all that you have.
if you had started with your 2nd last and last posts then I'd never have said a word. lead with those next time lol.
I go off on this topic not only from a personal level but by the few dozen IRL examples I have of seeing men in my life shit the bed because they hear bullshit like what you wrote. specifically, the negative connotation regarding psychiatric drugs. THAT is my only contention with your posts, and everything else I saw from you I agree with. I also commend a guy that has overcome all that you have.
if you had started with your 2nd last and last posts then I'd never have said a word. lead with those next time lol.
WeightLossBurn
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Glad you separated after finding out the real her. I know she's the mother of your kids, but she sounds like a cock hungry whore.
adamcarpenter
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I am not the best with words. I do not normally talk about this kind of stuff. Human suffering is an incredibly complex topic, as humans and life are incredibly complex.
My position on strength and weakness and suffering is not my own, I have learned these lessons from others.
Whenever you are faced with a challenge or a problem, or some suffering, you can ignore it or try to run from it. Your problem and your suffering will get bigger and stronger and you will get weaker. This is called cowardice.
When you chose to face your problem and accept the suffering, you get stronger and more powerful, and your problems and suffering either go away or they diminish. This act is called courage.
As far as I know these beliefs are widely held to be true, as far as behavioral psychology is concerned.
It has certainly proved to be true in my life.
TrenTrenTren
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My advice is don't go down the road of altering your serotonin reuptake chemically. Just increase your levels of serotonin and dopamine.
I take SamE, 200mg daily. I feel this is a game changer for me. Makes me feel great.
@adamcarpenter @nealcaffrey16 @WeightLossBurn
My issues mentally personally and physically are the same as everyone else’s and completely different. We all have stories of life kicking us in the dick. Without writing a very long winded post I’ll try to keep more to the point of what I started rather then explaining my life. As I have said I always had a don’t be a pussy mentality. As well as my own saying of Always Forward. Life is going to kick us all and not think twice. It’s how we respond though that matters right. All I’m saying is at what point does enough become enough. When you’re at the point where you are looking back going “ok I know I have made some mistakes along the road but give me a fucking break”. There are only so many beatings you can take. I am in no way implying I’m giving up or thinking of something drastic. Im looking for additional tools or weapons lol in this fight. Like I said before. If we as steroid users will take chemicals to alter our bodies wouldn’t the same apply to our minds. This whole threads purpose is because I wanted to know about an interaction between taking antidepressants and steroids because i don’t want to make something worse happen. My goal if I decide to start taking something is I need to know if my problems stem from my perception of my life or do they stem from some sort chemical imbalances that cause me to perceive my problems the way I do. If I take something and it changes my mindset and allows me to view things differently then great. If I feel like it’s not helping I’ll give another one or two a try but if it’s still my own personal perception not one that’s influenced by some sort of imbalance than I’ll have to find an alternative.
My issues mentally personally and physically are the same as everyone else’s and completely different. We all have stories of life kicking us in the dick. Without writing a very long winded post I’ll try to keep more to the point of what I started rather then explaining my life. As I have said I always had a don’t be a pussy mentality. As well as my own saying of Always Forward. Life is going to kick us all and not think twice. It’s how we respond though that matters right. All I’m saying is at what point does enough become enough. When you’re at the point where you are looking back going “ok I know I have made some mistakes along the road but give me a fucking break”. There are only so many beatings you can take. I am in no way implying I’m giving up or thinking of something drastic. Im looking for additional tools or weapons lol in this fight. Like I said before. If we as steroid users will take chemicals to alter our bodies wouldn’t the same apply to our minds. This whole threads purpose is because I wanted to know about an interaction between taking antidepressants and steroids because i don’t want to make something worse happen. My goal if I decide to start taking something is I need to know if my problems stem from my perception of my life or do they stem from some sort chemical imbalances that cause me to perceive my problems the way I do. If I take something and it changes my mindset and allows me to view things differently then great. If I feel like it’s not helping I’ll give another one or two a try but if it’s still my own personal perception not one that’s influenced by some sort of imbalance than I’ll have to find an alternative.
TrenTrenTren
Banned
SSRIs are going to make you gain weight. And that's not the start of your problems with SSRIs. Hell...a TRT dose of test weekly will do as much to boost your mood as an SSRI.
Sometimes we get sucked in to this psychiatric mindset where we start fucking with our brains in ways that we shouldn't. It sometimes leaves you worse off.
Your brain already has hormone receptors that engage with testosterone and estrogen. If you are taking gear, you are already playing around with these receptors. Don't fuck around more with it by taking SSRIs.
I'm no doctor, but my sister is, and my girlfriend is a pharmacist. I don't have all the knowledge in the world about these things, but I have a little. That's my 2 cents.
WeightLossBurn
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I think you are at that point where meds will help you. I can't speak to interactions between the testosterone and meds as I have yet to cycle. I think everyone's journey into these meds are different. If yours ends up being similar to mine, than be ready for an investment of time. It took me quite a while to find something that worked for me. The cool thing about that is you have distinct memories of what you disliked about other SSRIs. For example, Zoloft is a really nice, calming antidepressant, as long as you don't mind having bad gas all day.
As I mentioned before, when you start the journey finding the right one for you, make sure you are prescribed a anti anxiety benzo. It's common for SSRIs to make you feel more depressed when you start them. I don't know why, but some theories believe the influx of artificial SSRIs kill some of your natural SSRIs before they start working as they should. The benzo is a real quick fix in the beginning. You will start feeling that you don't need benzos anymore when the SSRI kicks in. Make sure to drink coffee because benzos have a sleepiness property. PM me with where you currently are at a thinking/emotional level. I may be able to offer you some good insight from experience.
I think it's cool that @adamcarpenter had stepped in to give us his story. I believe he has a similar story to you in some ways and I think it's important that you 2 connect and communicate.
TrenTrenTren
Banned
Been there with the cheating stuff. It's just how women are. You know what cured me of the pain I felt when I was cheated on? Banging as much pussy as I possibly could. Absolutely cured me.
I do have a girlfriend now that I am at least partly committed to (although things always change). But before her, I was spinning plates like a motherfucker. I had a rotation going, and it was great. Confidence built upon confidence, and I truly felt like a man. This is what men do. They fuck. They decide who they want to fuck, and they go do it.
Swallow the red pill. Learn what women really want in a guy. Women will spend their lifetime trying to nail down a guy who is fucking girls on rotation. Their cattiness and competitiveness won't allow them to quit chasing you.
Spin plates. Get your rotation going. Allow confidence to build upon confidence. Don't get married. Be manly.
Don't accept the gynocentric lie that says "real men" settle down with one woman for life. No. Real men fuck multiple pussies at the same time. Women are always monkey branching and looking for the bigger better deal anyway. Don't let them win the game. They are fucking around too. Be smart, and always have the upper hand.
I just read up on samE a little. Sounds interesting. Are you pinning or taking it orally.
WeightLossBurn
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Everyone responds to supplements differently. So take this information with a grain of salt. I've tried samE orally in the past. Didn't do much for me. I always thought St Johns Wort worked great, it has a side effect of sensitive/itchy eyes. Tyrosine and 5-htp is pretty dope(amine), see what I did there?
