Steroids causing loss of intelligence?

Im aware of neurotoxicity of AI and the possible damage from something like deca, but i saw this post: Thread 'PCT after 10 months ON' PCT after 10 months ON

In which the op said they had a loss of intelligence. They were only using test, boldenone and hcg, and at low doses. What possibly caused it?
 
Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

The effects hit specific areas of intelligence. Spatial / Visual memory, learning, and inducing cognitive rigidity,

Essentially exhibiting stereotypical "Stubborn old man" characteristics. Unable to learn anything new. Unable to update existing memories with new information. Only able to refer to previously learned skills and ideas.

Excessively low androgens are also associated with cognitive problems.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.
 
Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

The effects hit specific areas of intelligence. Spatial / Visual memory, learning, and inducing cognitive rigidity,

Essentially exhibiting stereotypical "Stubborn old man" characteristics. Unable to learn anything new. Unable to update existing memories with new information. Only able to refer to previously learned skills and ideas.

Excessively low androgens are also associated with cognitive problems.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.
I refuse to believe or adapt to your opinion, I'm fine, everything is fine - Heather and most boomers probably.
 
Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

The effects hit specific areas of intelligence. Spatial / Visual memory, learning, and inducing cognitive rigidity,

Essentially exhibiting stereotypical "Stubborn old man" characteristics. Unable to learn anything new. Unable to update existing memories with new information. Only able to refer to previously learned skills and ideas.

Excessively low androgens are also associated with cognitive problems.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.
Wow, this is a huge problem.
 
Wow, this is a huge problem.

For context, higher levels of androgens correlate with higher spatial intelligence than lower levels, to a point. I suspect this is the biology underlying why males typically have more interest and aptitude in the physical, engineering, hard sciences, etc.

But like most things, an excess of something with positive effects can lead to negative effects.

How high is too high? Who knows. Although I swear I can identify the "concrete brains" who've been living on tren for decades vs the moderate users, lol.
 
Weird. But then again, I personally have experienced the opposite effect and have only gotten more intelligent as time went on. I'm constantly adapting to new ideas and in taking more information even as I get older. I love learning and I'll never stop. Maybe it's a genetic thing. But then, if I be honest with myself, have I actually been taking a lot of androgens? No. Plus my IQ test is at 134 on avg. Haven't noticed it decrease either. Maybe it's set point related.
 
Weird. But then again, I personally have experienced the opposite effect and have only gotten more intelligent as time went on. I'm constantly adapting to new ideas and in taking more information even as I get older. I love learning and I'll never stop. Maybe it's a genetic thing. But then, if I be honest with myself, have I actually been taking a lot of androgens? No. Plus my IQ test is at 134 on avg. Haven't noticed it decrease either. Maybe it's set point related.
You've taken iq before and after with no change? Interesting. I know there's Research showing very high iq actually prevents against a lot of mental health issues too, so perhaps starting with a high iq can be protective against the damage of androgens
 
You've taken iq before and after with no change? Interesting. I know there's Research showing very high iq actually prevents against a lot of mental health issues too, so perhaps starting with a high iq can be protective against the damage of androgens
Yes, I've taken it three times out of curiosity once way before, once in the middle and once Last year.

There's maybe a difference of a few points at most, but on average it's that. My father had something similar. However, he's super old and ended up getting dementia. I'm going to look into what ghost said Preventive measures is not a bad thing.
 
Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

The effects hit specific areas of intelligence. Spatial / Visual memory, learning, and inducing cognitive rigidity,

Essentially exhibiting stereotypical "Stubborn old man" characteristics. Unable to learn anything new. Unable to update existing memories with new information. Only able to refer to previously learned skills and ideas.

Excessively low androgens are also associated with cognitive problems.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.
just got some moda, great info to now justify my recreational testing
 
Weird. But then again, I personally have experienced the opposite effect and have only gotten more intelligent as time went on. I'm constantly adapting to new ideas and in taking more information even as I get older. I love learning and I'll never stop. Maybe it's a genetic thing. But then, if I be honest with myself, have I actually been taking a lot of androgens? No. Plus my IQ test is at 134 on avg. Haven't noticed it decrease either. Maybe it's set point related.

When you study the cognitive issues most common to aging, it's pretty clear this "ossification" of the brain is the default for both sexes. It's so common it's not really considered an impairment, just a characteristic for people of a certain age. Nursing homes are full of people in this mode. Maybe, from an primitive, evolutionary perspective, it's intended to solidify the patterns of behavior that managed to get you to an older age, because obviously they kept you alive this long, and changing them when you're old, with questionable senses, isn't a formula for success.

But this doesn't work in a technologically advanced society with much longer lifespan. Ensuring you maintain the ability to adapt and even discard old ideas, more difficult than it sounds, as needed is vital for a high quality of life imo.

A relentless pursuit of intellectual challenges and stimulus is one way. Maintain curiosity.

From a physical standpoint, TLDR, exercise helps, and there's evidence certain nootropics help keep the brain flexible and able to form new memories. Referring back to Modafinil for instance. It stimulates the genesis of neurons, and enhances the number and distance of connections they can make to other neurons, the basis of memory formation.

There's a limit to this of course. You won't become infinitely more intelligent as you continue using it, it peaks at a certain point.

But what it does do is maintain cognitive flexibility and the ability to continue to absorb new information and "rewire" previously established networks. An ability that begins to steadily deteriorate once we reach adulthood.

(just a small part of the complex mechanism behind this process. This topic is virtually bottomless, with research as recent as 2024 acknowledging the mechanism of action isn't well understood, though neuroenhancement for healthy individuals is widely observed)



Finally a little on the ethical aspect of use and its potential for increasing the disparity between those with access to a "cheat" and everyone else....

 
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Yes, I've taken it three times out of curiosity once way before, once in the middle and once Last year.

There's maybe a difference of a few points at most, but on average it's that. My father had something similar. However, he's super old and ended up getting dementia. I'm going to look into what ghost said Preventive measures is not a bad thing.

How/where do you take IQ tests? Which test?
 

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