Just looking for some advice, i first signed on about 4 months ago askin questions about gear, was told to do some research before getting into some. So ive been doing that and iam still confused about what would be a good first time cycle. I thought the stickys in this forum were good, but then read else where that winny was a bad idea, to throw it out. So what should i take trenabole with test? opposed to winny. What about a short cycle of DNP 5-7 days not exceeding 200mg a day? Iam lookin to get lean and maybe gain 5lbs of muscle. Iam 28, have a farily good diet, 5'9" 190lbs 13-15% bf (how accurate are those handheld devices?) Iam not some newbie that just joined the gym last month, ive been going steady for about 4 years. In that time ive spent alot of money on products like no2, prohormones, creatine, and what ever else supp stores try to sell and hype up as the next best thing. I would like to start in the right direction, so any info from veterans would be greatly appericated.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Still Confused about GEAR
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maxx
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maxpower said:
first off unless your doing a show and you stand to win some money...stay away from dnp.that shit is dangerous.its only for seasoned vets...which you arent.
a good first cycle for mass can be anything from a cyp,eq or deca, and d-bol.just a test cycle is a popular first cycle.the old test deca cycle.
or for a cutter tren,test,eq is alawys a good one.primo,anavar
the list goes on and on.the most important part is your diet,work out intenseity and sleeping habits.gear is just a tool and you can use those tool for many different things ie.hope that helped a little
maxx
I think that most bros would suggest a Test (Enan or Cyp) cycle with EQ for newbies that want to gain lean mass. However, since you would be satisfied with only 5 pounds of additional lean mass, I'm not sure it is worth the expense and other things that go along with AAS.
Consider first increasing your cardio to become more lean and then scooping in buckets of food and protein while keeping your cardio workouts strong. If you feel that you've already done that, and believe that AAS is definately what you want to get into, then Test and EQ is the best choice.
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Consider first increasing your cardio to become more lean and then scooping in buckets of food and protein while keeping your cardio workouts strong. If you feel that you've already done that, and believe that AAS is definately what you want to get into, then Test and EQ is the best choice.
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Maxpower
good advice above. KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid. Just that. Keep it simple. Enanthate or Cypionate @500mg/week and Equipoise @400mg/week. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Can't say it enough. Don't add too many variables. Just adding these two variables could wreak havoc on the steady program you've been doing for 4 years. Know that adding any of these to your body can cause side effects that will affect your workout. Some people can't sleep when using test. This in turn will mess up your diet. You have to constanly eat right to see results from any AAS program. If you are napping to make up for missed sleep, it's possible to miss a meal, or worse, a planned workout. Just one variable can throw off a seemingly good regimine that you mastered while not "on."
Lots of bro's have acquired serious mass over the years with simple cycles of Test and EQ or Deca, or a Test and Dbol cycle with proper recovery. To get the best out of your cycle, be sure to have Post Cycle Therapy planned. Have the stuff on hand. If for any reason you abort the cycle, you can recover fully and properly. This will allow you to maintain as much of the "cycle" mass as possible.
good advice above. KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid. Just that. Keep it simple. Enanthate or Cypionate @500mg/week and Equipoise @400mg/week. KEEP IT SIMPLE. Can't say it enough. Don't add too many variables. Just adding these two variables could wreak havoc on the steady program you've been doing for 4 years. Know that adding any of these to your body can cause side effects that will affect your workout. Some people can't sleep when using test. This in turn will mess up your diet. You have to constanly eat right to see results from any AAS program. If you are napping to make up for missed sleep, it's possible to miss a meal, or worse, a planned workout. Just one variable can throw off a seemingly good regimine that you mastered while not "on."
Lots of bro's have acquired serious mass over the years with simple cycles of Test and EQ or Deca, or a Test and Dbol cycle with proper recovery. To get the best out of your cycle, be sure to have Post Cycle Therapy planned. Have the stuff on hand. If for any reason you abort the cycle, you can recover fully and properly. This will allow you to maintain as much of the "cycle" mass as possible.
Brother, listen to the man. Try a cycle consisting of 500mg Cyp or Enan and 400mgs of EQ per week (split up into 2 shots a week). Then just keep doing what you're doing and you will look amazing, that I promise. You will more than likley put on quite a bit more muscle than your goal, unless you really restrict your calories.
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ramboj70
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first cycle, test deca or EQ and the end run some winny or varremorse75 said:
Captain Planet
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IMO steroids are over-rated, go with Cell-Tech 
In all seriousness, do some research and don't expect others to do it for you. Come back when you have some questions that cannot be answered by basic reading of profiles/medical journals/other basic steroid writtings.
In all seriousness, do some research and don't expect others to do it for you. Come back when you have some questions that cannot be answered by basic reading of profiles/medical journals/other basic steroid writtings.
Thanks for your opinion, apparently you missed read the part where i said that ive been researching for the last 4 months. As for comeback when i have some real questions. Are you saying that most of the info, profiles, and help suggested is incorrect or misleading on this website. What else could a person possibly ask? (who the guy was that worked the day shift on march 23, 2004 at the orbit lab?) It seems like if i ask 30 people the same question, i would get 30 different answers. If cell tech is so good then why isnt there people on here recomending it? WHat do u think of cell tech boys?Captain Planet said:IMO steroids are over-rated, go with Cell-Tech
In all seriousness, do some research and don't expect others to do it for you. Come back when you have some questions that cannot be answered by basic reading of profiles/medical journals/other basic steroid writtings.
all really good advise except fo captain muscle,j/k but maybe cell tech will help you but if your only concerned with 5 lbs of muscle then i suggest you just take anavar or primobolan. gain it over time and do increase cardio clena up diet and workout hard. it will come fast without oo much juice. most of us on here are more concerned with becoming better than average and 5 lbs was last week ago, its good you ask these questions and turn for help, you seem like a good weightlifter 4 yrs experiance and into supps, so i def suggest milder anabolics for you and keep up with the protein creatine and glutimine if your budget can afford it go for anything extra you may like to try. no the BF calipers are not accurate at all just go by the mirror not so much the scale either, it can play mind games with you.
get
anavar @ 20mg/day
primobola @ 300mgs /week
test enthnate @ 500mgs/week
later
jagers
tren is a seasoned users drug of choice not good fro a newbie
later
jagers
get
anavar @ 20mg/day
primobola @ 300mgs /week
test enthnate @ 500mgs/week
later
jagers
tren is a seasoned users drug of choice not good fro a newbie
later
jagers
REALLY THE CLEN PUMP S MY FAVORITE!! HOW MANY PUMPS DID U TAKE I TAKE 8 OR MORE SOMETIMES 6, LMKM ITS GOOD, ALSO NO NO NEED FOR T-3 YOU NNED SOME MORE CYCLE SUNDER YOUR BELT OR YOU BETTER BE GETTING READY FOR A COMPETITION TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT OR BE ON GROWTH AND BE IN COMPETITION, NO REASON TO RISJK YOUR HEALTH FOR GIRLS ONLY RISK HEALTH FOR CONTEST TIMEmaxpower said:
CLEN IS OK FOR A NEWBIE I WOULD RECOMMEND PYRAMIDING 18 DAYS ON AND 18 DAY OFF AS SUGGESTED BY DAN DUCHAINE.ANY MORE QUESTIONS JUST POST
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JAGERS
sizer said:REALLY THE CLEN PUMP S MY FAVORITE!! HOW MANY PUMPS DID U TAKE I TAKE 8 OR MORE SOMETIMES 6, LMKM ITS GOOD, ALSO NO NO NEED FOR T-3 YOU NNED SOME MORE CYCLE SUNDER YOUR BELT OR YOU BETTER BE GETTING READY FOR A COMPETITION TO EVEN THINK ABOUT IT OR BE ON GROWTH AND BE IN COMPETITION, NO REASON TO RISJK YOUR HEALTH FOR GIRLS ONLY RISK HEALTH FOR CONTEST TIME
ANY MORE QUESTIONS JUST POST
LATER
JAGERS
thanks bro, you where taking 6-8 pumps a day, i was only taking one in the morning and one in the afternon EOD. How did you cycle it? maybe ill just try that stuff again, i can get easily and cheap enough.
Captain Planet
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maxpower said:
Calm down dude, I understand sarcasm doesn't convey well over the internet, but I figured the
would give you a clue.....I am not flaming you, I am trying to help. It sounds to me like you do not know enough about gear to be using any, that is my honest opinion. If you have been researching for four months, then you shouldn't be asking what steroids would be good for your goals, you would ALREADY KNOW THAT. In my opinion you do not know enough to start a cycle. You should know what products you are going to use, and why. Sounds to me like you don't know either....And yes, if you ask 30 different people, you will get differnet answers. Gear affects everyone differently, but someone who has been researching for as long as you would know that......right?
BTW, Cell-Tech isn't a steroid, its 10x better
lol. i could have swore cell tech had steroids i it 10lbs in a week right here, but max you need to research some more before you decide you want to put tanything in your body greg zulak suggest writing out all the pros and cons do this for a week(1. if you cant do this a week you are not patient or do not have the dicipline to take steroids) if the cons out weight the pros then you should already know your answer! go to www.anabolicreview.com and ask einstein (mod at the gh igf forum) some questions he is knowledgable and will help out, and research the drug profile as well and ask more questions, but until you do the pro con paper you will not really know if you should take them or not, here ill get you startedCaptain Planet said:Calm down dude, I understand sarcasm doesn't convey well over the internet, but I figured the
And yes, if you ask 30 different people, you will get differnet answers. Gear affects everyone differently, but someone who has been researching for as long as you would know that......right?
BTW, Cell-Tech isn't a steroid, its 10x better
con> dont know alot about them
pro>get me laid more
con>side effects
you take it from there
and tell us what you came up with in a week!
later
jagers
Thanks guy, i dont think iam gonna get into some gear for awhile. Try the natural way first. Clean up diet, add more cardio, stuff like that.
Another question though I have 2 friends, both under 150lbs one is staking some pretty crazy gear, tren, dbols, decca and something else i cant remeber How bad is this for him, by the way he just joined the gym about 6months ago.
And my other buddy just joined last friday and he hasnt even gone yet, but is taking that he wants to get on some gear right away.
Are these guys doomed, what advice should i give them?
Another question though I have 2 friends, both under 150lbs one is staking some pretty crazy gear, tren, dbols, decca and something else i cant remeber How bad is this for him, by the way he just joined the gym about 6months ago.
And my other buddy just joined last friday and he hasnt even gone yet, but is taking that he wants to get on some gear right away.
Are these guys doomed, what advice should i give them?
BoogerSnax
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You know BRO. MESO has a couple of very good books to do your research. William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS 2004 is, IMO, the steroid bible. I know a few will disagree, but it's great! The other is CHEMICAL MUSCLE ENHANCEMENT or BUILDING THE PERFECT BEAST by Author L Rea. Believe me, you'll wear them out reading through them and using them as reference material.
That's my reccommendation.
PEACE BRO.
That's my reccommendation.
PEACE BRO.
ramboj70
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i love it, i usually use it when I finish with a cycle, I like the way it scratches my throat and changes my voicemaxpower said:
