SinginHawk
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If you stop taking T, how long does it take for the body to start producing it's own T.
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HUGE.HULK
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If you don't do PCT, it takes from 6 months to a year.
SinginHawk
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I am talking about taking 1/2 tubes of Testim. I can't believe that it will take so long. You have research on that?
SinginHawk
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What is AAS? How LONG do you think it takes before the P gland starts to put out LH and FSH to stimulate the Testies to produce T?
SinginHawk
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When you say "what they are taking" what are you talking about. I took 1 1/2 tubes Testim.
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Depends on dosages(i.e. using 1 gram of test takes longer to recover from than 50mg). Also, using hcg concurrently would probably speed up recovery as well. But, then genetics play a role as well. Some people just recover faster than others. So, the only way to find out is to try for yourself.
Depends on dosages(i.e. using 1 gram of test takes longer to recover from than 50mg). Also, using hcg concurrently would probably speed up recovery as well. But, then genetics play a role as well. Some people just recover faster than others. So, the only way to find out is to try for yourself.
SinginHawk
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I was thinking about getting off because there was no reason that the doc should have put me on it in the first place.
When I first saw the doc my Thyroid was low and because of that the T was low 300. I had a libido. I had good sexual functioning, I was not depressed. I had some fatigue and she didn't know what to do so she raised my thyroid meds and put me on T.
Since I have been on T , I lost my libido, and my sexual functioning isn't what it was. Basically It took away what I had. I have gotten nothing out of this except raise my E2 and give me problems. It just makes no sense to take some thing I never needed in the first place. Does it.
I have been on since the end of April, various doses from 1 andro to 2 Testim. the last was 1 1/2 Testim
When I first saw the doc my Thyroid was low and because of that the T was low 300. I had a libido. I had good sexual functioning, I was not depressed. I had some fatigue and she didn't know what to do so she raised my thyroid meds and put me on T.
Since I have been on T , I lost my libido, and my sexual functioning isn't what it was. Basically It took away what I had. I have gotten nothing out of this except raise my E2 and give me problems. It just makes no sense to take some thing I never needed in the first place. Does it.
I have been on since the end of April, various doses from 1 andro to 2 Testim. the last was 1 1/2 Testim
Your best bet is to do some type of PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) that the bro's use after their steroid cycle. Although everyone is different your recovery will likely be based upon how long you have been on the Testim and how "shut down" your HPTA is. Try searching this board for PCT. Typically you want to use HCG, to activate the Leydig cells to have them start producing test on their own and then use something like Clomid or Nolvadex. If you can't get these you can always try 6-OXO. But remember to stop HCG, because they will also interfere with your HPTA, it can be supressive.
HERE IS A BLAST FROM THE PAST FROM OUR OL' DOC, he may have some updates on it:
I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isnt enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldnt mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERMs at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.
I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a bridge. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you cant fool the bodyit is smarter than you are.
I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the groundand we dont want that, do we?).
All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
HERE IS A BLAST FROM THE PAST FROM OUR OL' DOC, he may have some updates on it:
I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isnt enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldnt mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERMs at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.
I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a bridge. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you cant fool the bodyit is smarter than you are.
I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the groundand we dont want that, do we?).
All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
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