Strange pin SubQ

[MuzzaUK]

Hiya,

Quick question, I pin EOD test E and today after I pinned my stomach I felt a huge flush come over, my face was bright red and it felt like high blood pressure.

This stared like 30 seconds after pinning and it’s happened once before.

Any ideas why this sporadically happens? I was calm and collected as always, meaning it wasn’t stress and anxiety

 

[jJjburton]

Hiya,

Quick question, I pin EOD test E and today after I pinned my stomach I felt a huge flush come over, my face was bright red and it felt like high blood pressure.

This stared like 30 seconds after pinning and it’s happened once before.

Any ideas why this sporadically happens? I was calm and collected as always, meaning it wasn’t stress and anxiety

Stop Sub Q

 

[farbeyonddriven]

Hiya,

Quick question, I pin EOD test E and today after I pinned my stomach I felt a huge flush come over, my face was bright red and it felt like high blood pressure.

This stared like 30 seconds after pinning and it’s happened once before.

Any ideas why this sporadically happens? I was calm and collected as always, meaning it wasn’t stress and anxiety

How long have you been pinning subQ? What volume are you pinning at once? How long did your rxn last?
I've never pinned gear subQ but I have pinned other items subQ and occasionally get the flushed feeling and a bit of color in my face but that only lasted about a min max.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Every day there's a new "why did my sub q gear injection go badly?" thread.

Maybe there's a trend here. Hmmmmm

 

[MuzzaUK]

Hiya, moved over to Subq around 2 months ago and saw an instant improvement on my estrogen management, basically high blood pressure and early gyno signs vanished over night, it’s also been good for my sleep, prob due to my b/p

Anyways pinning 300ml a go
Flushing lasted a full day

 

[DesmoRicky]

Why shouldnt we pin subq? Im doing it when on trt, test e, 2 Times a week
And i get no problem!
Im sure i read a study saying the absorption is even better, but apart from this.. is much easier to pin

 

[Deskoze38192]

Anyways pinning 300ml a go

You sure about that? LoL

Pinning 30 vials at a time subQ, I’ve got to see this

 

[ThinkDeroid]

Common subq issues:

- bad gear, with most UGL gear you can only do IM
- hitting a blood vessel, choose spot wisely
- too shallow, you cannot just do it into the skin

 

[BigTomJ]

Hiya, moved over to Subq around 2 months ago and saw an instant improvement on my estrogen management, basically high blood pressure and early gyno signs vanished over night, it’s also been good for my sleep, prob due to my b/p

What was your BP and E2 pre and post switching to subq

Anyways pinning 300ml a go
Flushing lasted a full day

i assume you mean .3ml

 

[BigTomJ]

Common subq issues:

- bad gear, with most UGL gear you can only do IM

what are you basing this off of?
are you saying m,ost ugl gear is not sterile enough for subq, or that there are adulterants in the solution. carrier oil?

Why would ugl gear be fine IM and not subq?

 

[MuzzaUK]

Sorry, was on the move responding previously.
I’m injection 0.3 ml EOD

It’s Chilton Labs, considering the reviews I doubt it’s bad gear.

BigTom I’ve done a few cycles IM and know the BP signs and E2 signs as I fucked up on my first cycle a few years back. I didn’t get my bloods done as it hit me hard, I quickly transferred to Subq as soon as it started.

Thanks for the adult responses

 

[MuzzaUK]

You sure about that? LoL

Pinning 30 vials at a time subQ, I’ve got to see this

LOL

 

[thisismyusername4567]

IM or SubQ comes down to personal preference...Some people (like myself) can pin SubQ with no issue, others find IM to be more tolerable. Find what works best for you and stick to that

 

[Deskoze38192]

IM or SubQ comes down to personal preference...Some people (like myself) can pin SubQ with no issue, others find IM to be more tolerable. Find what works best for you and stick to that

Volume is also a factor
A lot of us could never pin our blast amounts subQ even if we wanted to for some odd reason

 

[BigTomJ]

Sorry, was on the move responding previously.
I’m injection 0.3 ml EOD

It’s Chilton Labs, considering the reviews I doubt it’s bad gear.

BigTom I’ve done a few cycles IM and know the BP signs and E2 signs as I fucked up on my first cycle a few years back. I didn’t get my bloods done as it hit me hard, I quickly transferred to Subq as soon as it started.

Thanks for the adult responses

what is your theory as to why your perceived BP and e2 levels would improve from switching from IM to Subq qith the same dose?

 

[Eddie.]

For starters, i would advise you to change your injection spot. Stomach is easier, i get it..but there are many blood vessels. Pin your buttcheeks like you would with a longer needle and see if you react the same. If this is keeps happening i would be curious to see how is your CRP. Until a week ago i was pinning every day subq with pharmaceutical test E in castor oil, i never had any bad reaction or lumps, redness and stuff except some burning couple times when i pierce the skin and start pushing the plunger and that went away in 1-2 minutes. A week ago, i started using UGL test E from Driada and it goes even smoother than the pharma and in these 7 shots i haven't experienced that burning. Finally due to GSO which is way thinner i can draw and pin without even heating it first.

So if i was you i would continue pinning it sq but in the ass and if the flushing persisted i'd go to check my CRP, then switch it to IM and if keep happening i would ditch that. UGL lab might be very good and careful but mishaps can happen to everyone. On the other hand, if it's something going wrong with the Test that means everyone with the same batch (and i've read this guy makes huge batches) would have some issues, so maybe YOU are allergic to something and this doesn't come from the UGL.

 

[ThinkDeroid]

what are you basing this off of?
are you saying m,ost ugl gear is not sterile enough for subq, or that there are adulterants in the solution. carrier oil?

Why would ugl gear be fine IM and not subq?

Yes, I would say there's something wrong with most UGL gear. Also, the risk to hit a blood vessel is higher with subq than IM (so it seems). But imagine, diabetics who still inject all inject subq. Same reason gear can be done subq.

Also from my experience doing a lot of cycles. I always did IM and then switched to subq but noticed I got pip and big red swelling and so on and then changed the source and suddenly I can inject subq without any issue and no pip whatsoever (Primo, T, Deca).

 

[BigTomJ]

switched to subq but noticed I got pip and big red swelling and so on and then changed the source and suddenly I can inject subq without any issue and no pip whatsoever (Primo, T, Deca).

So you switched from 1 ugl source, which gave you swelling subq, to another ugl source that didnt?

What were the carrier oils of those two sources?

 

[jJjburton]

Yes, I would say there's something wrong with most UGL gear. Also, the risk to hit a blood vessel is higher with subq than IM (so it seems). But imagine, diabetics who still inject all inject subq. Same reason gear can be done subq.

Also from my experience doing a lot of cycles. I always did IM and then switched to subq but noticed I got pip and big red swelling and so on and then changed the source and suddenly I can inject subq without any issue and no pip whatsoever (Primo, T, Deca).

Diabetics inject water based products….

 

[Astartes]

Folks,

So much misconception and bad assumption here. Need to stop with the generalizing and one size fits all solutions.

Almost everything in our toolkit has a viable and quality use. Sub-Q is no exception.

1) Risk of hitting a major blood vessel or artery is _higher_ IM than Sub-Q. Muscle is where most of these lurkers and big hoses live. Anatomy gents.

2) Don’t cite that veins for IV use are sub-q. Yes. I understand, but unless you are absolutely retarded you aren’t going to target these because you can see them. I said the _risk_ is less, not non existent.

3) Sub-Q is superior to IM in absorption, conversion (cleaving) and subsequent aromatization. Slower wins the race.

4) IM is recommended by pharmacies because original test Pharma was recommended IM. They realized my subsequent points. (Next of which would likely make many customers quit treatment and would not be beneficial for sales) All Pharma has followed the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it premise” since.

5) Sub-Q while superior on points above creates substantially more irritation and thus PIP. At volumes over 1 ml it isn’t recommended due to length of absorption and irritation. (Candidly I would recommend doses less than 250mg and 1/2 cc.)

6) Numerous studies to support the above are available online regarding TRT. You won’t find BB studies for obvious reasons.

7) TRT at low volume (ml injection) is the only reasonable use for Sub-Q. That said, if and when I go back to true TRT and not a TRT+ or mini blast for cruise, I will absolutely go Sub-Q. (<= .33-.5 ml and <=150mg)

8) You will find the higher the fat concentration (adipose tissue) in the injection area the quicker the absorption and higher the irritation. Abdominal is awful at any concentration over listed above, and will leave bumps for 4-5 weeks. Quads, gone in 1-2 weeks with doses listed.

Just my input. Agree or disagree. Pulled from experience of use over years and experimentation as well as TRT studies.