Successful offseason with no test/low test and high anabolics possible?

[urmumsurdad30]

Why’re we always looking for the out of the box way?

A tiny test dose with a large dose of EQ, mast, or primo will almost 100% leave you feeling like shit from low e2. It should be an absolute last resort and you’ll likely need a source of estrogen and last I checked deca doesn’t provide meaningful aromatization based on using the correct e2 bloodwork panel . The success stories are the exception here. Attempting to be the exception for anything but a very small number of reasons is usually a losing battle.

Here’s a bitch of a question though; if you can’t tolerate the most bioidentical and simple compound is competitive bodybuilding really for you? The proliferation of fitness and bodybuilding has WAY too many people chasing this that shouldn’t be after confronted with any number of genetic or health issues.

My .02 as a pro who’s been doing this for almost 15 years.

PS: a large dose of any single compound (and TRT isn’t really a “dose” of test when we’re talking exogenous use for BB) is always less effective and more side effect prone than a balanced “cocktail.”

I just came

 

[ComancheChief]

LOL, damn. No playing around there. I never reached those kind of doses. I sometimes wish I had discovered gear when I was younger.

Don’t believe anything he (a.k.a Pizza) says. He’s a fraud who got called out on his bs on promuscle by the entire forum. Yeah he was actually that bad lol. Amusing how he’s acting like a big shot bodybuilder here.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I just came

Imagine how my wife feels

 

[ComancheChief]

Are you just assuming you’ll experience these or have you already? I don’t know who’s instilling test fear into the next gen but…provide some context to your challenge of conventional protocol knowledge; would be very helpful.

I don’t know man, I’m still trying to figure out my bf% and how to get to a good place to rebound. Ideally single digit body fat but I’m not sure what steps and gear to get to that point

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I don’t know man, I’m still trying to figure out my bf% and how to get to a good place to rebound. Ideally single digit body fat but I’m not sure what steps and gear to get to that point

Bodyfat isn’t a gear question. It’s a discipline question. Also, the % is irrelevant. That’s arbitrary. Get lean. Lean means abs and visible detail in every muscle. If you can’t get there via diet and training/cardio you aren’t putting forth enough effort. Blunt but that’s as simple as I can state it. A coach would help but people get in shape with a bad plan all the time.

 

[dinfar1337]

Has anyone here done anything like that before for a competition? Any competitors openly talk about successful offseason with just 150-200 test and higher anabolics?

Like 150 test 850 eq/primo vs 1g test

If total mg of AAS are equal, would results in muscle tissue gain be similar?

just take test and become a fucking greek god. if anything when you add eq/primo u aromatize less so u just fucking up the test, never lower it

 

[ComancheChief]

Bodyfat isn’t a gear question. It’s a discipline question. Also, the % is irrelevant. That’s arbitrary. Get lean. Lean means abs and visible detail in every muscle. If you can’t get there via diet and training/cardio you aren’t putting forth enough effort. Blunt but that’s as simple as I can state it. A coach would help but people get in shape with a bad plan all the time.

How many lbs would you estimate I am from being that lean?

 

[malfeasance]

How many lbs would you estimate I am from being that lean?

Did you post a pic?

 

[dinfar1337]

Did you post a pic?

he made a different thread for it

 

[ComancheChief]

Did you post a pic?

Yes sir, in a separate thread

 

[Mac11wildcat]

How many lbs would you estimate I am from being that lean?

off the rip, no other photos or seeing you, 20. Photos were poor quality but atleast 20.

 

[ComancheChief]

off the rip, no other photos or seeing you, 20. Photos were poor quality but atleast 20.

20% bf sounds about right. Thanks, I’ll have to lose at least 20lbs before reaching single digit bf. At least I know where to go from here. Would a trt dose test and masteron be good enough in this case?

 

[ComancheChief]

@Mac11wildcat My current goal is to get to 10%bf for now, a respectable body fat.

 

[malfeasance]

off the rip, no other photos or seeing you, 20. Photos were poor quality but at least 20.

I know he did not ask me, but would have guessed 15-17% just off those photos.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I know he did not ask me, but would have guessed 15-17% just off those photos.

When I say 20 I mean lbs but either way that’s probably about right. 20lbs or 8-10% bodyfat

 

[malfeasance]

When I say 20 I mean lbs

LOL - I was like, damn, Mac11wildcat is being extra harsh on this gym saying minimum 20% body fat probably more

Yeah, 20 pounds is different and probably right on point but it's hard to judge that sort of thing just off weight. He'll know when that last stubborn area . . . for me it was the lower back. I looked shredded everywhere else, but had to keep cutting to get my lower back to come in.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Yes sir, in a separate thread

Damn. Big quads.

 

[jtmarlin]

Dr Rand had an interesting analogy. He mentioned test as being 85 octane or so and dedicated anabolics as 97-99. He says they compete for the same receptors and anabolics are better designed for muscle growth.

I'm not a professional but I have always gotten much better results by adding anabolics vs adding more test. 200mg of nandrolone is like 600 test for me. Same with 20mg of Dianabol a day. Probably lots of water but I'd assume the water would be there with test as well. The cycle I felt best on but just didn't have the zap of Nandrolone or Dianabol was 600 test + 400 primo. I think the reason the doses seem enormous these days is so many guys are using drugs that seem weaker like masteron/primo/eq to me vs nandrolone and big orals. Like I have never heard of anyone using a gram of deca but these people will use 2g of masteron and primo combined.

If I were to attempt a no test cycle I would use dianabol and deca or Dianabol and primo... or just try 400 nandrolone and see how you do. 400mg of nandrolone if you feel ok will get you enormous IMO.

 

[gbochatt]

Dr Rand had an interesting analogy. He mentioned test as being 85 octane or so and dedicated anabolics as 97-99. He says they compete for the same receptors and anabolics are better designed for muscle growth.

I'm not a professional but I have always gotten much better results by adding anabolics vs adding more test. 200mg of nandrolone is like 600 test for me. Same with 20mg of Dianabol a day. Probably lots of water but I'd assume the water would be there with test as well. The cycle I felt best on but just didn't have the zap of Nandrolone or Dianabol was 600 test + 400 primo. I think the reason the doses seem enormous these days is so many guys are using drugs that seem weaker like masteron/primo/eq to me vs nandrolone and big orals. Like I have never heard of anyone using a gram of deca but these people will use 2g of masteron and primo combined.

If I were to attempt a no test cycle I would use dianabol and deca or Dianabol and primo... or just try 400 nandrolone and see how you do. 400mg of nandrolone if you feel ok will get you enormous IMO.

I mean plenty of 70s/80s pros were deca only, deca/dbol or deca/primo/dbol and got huge. Lee Priest is still deca only. Obviously none of us have Lee Priest genetics but for deca only specifically it’s not really “reinventing the wheel”, if anything it’s an incredibly classic cycle.

Not necessarily advocating for a deca base for anyone but I do plan to run it this off season and see what’s up.