Super High Free T after 8 weeks

[drkinsey]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate/ week, 100 mg Deca/week, and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part,. due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances

For prior lab tests and history, refer to the following link.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134242504

 

[HeadDoc]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate/ week, 100 mg Deca/week, and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part,. due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances

For prior lab tests and history, refer to the following link.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134242504

the results are superphysiologic and the dosing reflects it. High estrodial may account for the inconsistent libido. With the doses this high, I wouldn't be concerned about the supplements. Keep an eye on the PSA and HDL. If PSA rises and HDL declines, it's probably the testosterone levels driving them. At physiologic levels, both would tend to be optimal.

 

[drkinsey]

By the way, my SHBG was only 13. A low SHBG "explains" the high free T ratio, but it is not consistent with a high E2 , given that SHBG goes up as estrogen increases. (My E2 was 72)). Here is a high level summary of the data: very high free T and free T ratio; low SHBG; and high E2. Perhaps the answer lies in the contribution of the weakly-bound testosterone -- that is, the testosterione that is weakly-bound to albumin. It is generally claimed that Tribulis and Tongkat Ali work by increasing free testosterone. I am speculating that free testosterone is increased by dissociating some of the testosterone that is weakly-bound to albumin.

 

[jawbone]

you have high free T because you are supraphysiologic. Your body is trying to get rid of T. The nandrolone is certainly contributing to this as well as the bold dose of HCG. Your HDLs WILL drop given time and your TOT CHOL will raise as well as you HCT. While I am not passing judgement on your program, I am strongly suggesting that you monitor yourself closely to make changes if you want to maintain normal lipids and blood viscosity. While I can certainly understand that you feel good with this protocol, it will over time catch up to you. Finally, if you are going to stay on this dose, watch your PSA too. I suspect it will climb also.

 

[pmgamer18]

I am currently taking 100 mg Testosterone Cypionate/ week, 100 mg Deca/week, and 500 units hCG 3 times per week. My latest test results from Lab Corp. just came in, and they are not at all typical:

Total T: 1210 ng/dL (240-827)
Free T: 52 ng?dL (6-21.5)
% free T:: 6.8% (1-2.9%)
Estradiol: 72 (under 53)
PSA: 1.3
Total Chol: 189
LDL 131
HDL: 42
AST: 63
ALT: 57

Wood and libido are excellent ( A+) in the morning; however, libido is non-existant during the rest of the day. The unusually high percent free T may be, in part,. due to taking the supplement Adaptagen-N, which contains Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and a host of other subtances

For prior lab tests and history, refer to the following link.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134242504

WTF are you trying to do here your link does not work your young and messing your self up don't tell me a Dr. has you on this.

 

[drkinsey]

WTF are you trying to do here your link does not work your young and messing your self up don't tell me a Dr. has you on this.

Here is the link:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134242504

Yes, this protocol was prescribed by an anti-aging doc, and is designed to fix several health issues -- osteoporosis, muscle atrophy, and hypogonadism. Unfortunately, some are opposed to the use of Deca in an HRT protocol, but I honestly believe the doc has my best inteterest in mind. Prior to starting HRT for the first time (with endo #1, who put me on 5 g Androgel, which caused my total T to spike to 1710 and my free T to be over twice the upper limit of an 18 year old), my total T was always in the 350 to 400 range, with a free T measued by Equilibrium Dialysis exactly in the middle of the reference range. When measured by RIA direct, however, the free T was 20 percent below normal. (See my other posts regarding the validity of RIA direct measurements.) My point is that my numbers, even prior to beginning HRT, have always been atypical, effectively complicating the diagnosis, treatment, and management of the syndrome.

 

[pmgamer18]

Here is the link:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134242504

Yes, this protocol was prescribed by an anti-aging doc, and is designed to fix several health issues -- osteoporosis, muscle atrophy, and hypogonadism. Unfortunately, some are opposed to the use of Deca in an HRT protocol, but I honestly believe the doc has my best inteterest in mind. Prior to starting HRT for the first time (with endo #1, who put me on 5 g Androgel, which caused my total T to spike to 1710 and my free T to be over twice the upper limit of an 18 year old), my total T was always in the 350 to 400 range, with a free T measued by Equilibrium Dialysis exactly in the middle of the reference range. When measured by RIA direct, however, the free T was 20 percent below normal. (See my other posts regarding the validity of RIA direct measurements.) My point is that my numbers, even prior to beginning HRT, have always been atypical, effectively complicating the diagnosis, treatment, and management of the syndrome.

I feel the only why you can have levels this high on 5 grams of androgel is if you put on the gel and then did the test I did this a number of times it's not going to give you a true picture of what you levels are. The gel on your skin and just in your blood stream will spike the test.

 

[pmgamer18]

I had all of these problems my joints and muscles hurt so bad on gels I was house bound for over 2 yrs. Going on just 150 mgs of Depo T and HCG I was back to normal in know time. How do you feel your E2 has to be over the top.

 

[drkinsey]

I feel the only why you can have levels this high on 5 grams of androgel is if you put on the gel and then did the test I did this a number of times it's not going to give you a true picture of what you levels are. The gel on your skin and just in your blood stream will spike the test.

No - I had super high levels 24 hours a day. I had a serious case of vertigo, which made it difficult to drive. I put up with this for 30 days; the doctor said that my headaches and vertigo were unrelated to the Gel. Then when the results came in, she acknowledged the connection and forced me to stop treatment. The theory is that my skin was very thin, causing me to absorb far more than 10 percent of the testosterone in a single 50 mg dose. (The manufacturer assumes that skin of average permeability absorbs 10 percent of the T, effectively delivering 5 mg T. ) She was bold enough to claim that my levels were high because my testicles were still producing T, despite the fact my LH was down to 0.6. She is supposedly a boad-certified endo, but in my opionion she does not know her basics. I begged her to put me back on HRT, but she refused because my free T came in within range. I told her that my levels had dropped by more than fifty percent, which made me feel like crap. I suffered for the next 20 weeks, and then I decided to see another endo

Unfortunately, endo number two was even more toxic. He put me on 2.5 g, which was just enough to shut down my system, but still was not adequate to replace what was lost. Over a period of several weeks, I lost a massive amount of muscle mass, and gained a lot of fat around my hips. (I was 180 pounds at a 11.5 percent bf, and had a 46 inch chest before this whole HRT began. I ended up at a very low total weight, but with a body fat greater than 32 percent) The endo ridiculed me, claiming that bodytbuilders don't take T to lose muscle and gain fat: "None of your symptoms are known side effects." (What an idiot - he totally missed the point.)

I gave up on endos and decided to try the ant-aging route. ...

 

[pmgamer18]

No - I had super high levels 24 hours a day. I had a serious case of vertigo, which made it difficult to drive. I put up with this for 30 days; the doctor said that my headaches and vertigo were unrelated to the Gel. Then when the results came in, she acknowledged the connection and forced me to stop treatment. The theory is that my skin was very thin, causing me to absorb far more than 10 percent of the testosterone in a single 50 mg dose. (The manufacturer assumes that skin of average permeability absorbs 10 percent of the T, effectively delivering 5 mg T. ) She was bold enough to claim that my levels were high because my testicles were still producing T, despite the fact my LH was down to 0.6. She is supposedly a boad-certified endo, but in my opionion she does not know her basics. I begged her to put me back on HRT, but she refused because my free T came in within range. I told her that my levels had dropped by more than fifty percent, which made me feel like crap. I suffered for the next 20 weeks, and then I decided to see another endo

Unfortunately, endo number two was even more toxic. He put me on 2.5 g, which was just enough to shut down my system, but still was not adequate to replace what was lost. Over a period of several weeks, I lost a massive amount of muscle mass, and gained a lot of fat around my hips. (I was 180 pounds at a 11.5 percent bf, and had a 46 inch chest before this whole HRT began. I ended up at a very low total weight, but with a body fat greater than 32 percent) The endo ridiculed me, claiming that bodytbuilders don't take T to lose muscle and gain fat: "None of your symptoms are known side effects." (What an idiot - he totally missed the point.)

I gave up on endos and decided to try the ant-aging route. ...

Have your read Dr. John's TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update at www.allthingsmale.com your on to much and he is one of the best Anti-Aging Dr.'s out there for TRT.

 

[tommyguns2]

another issue with low libido is likely the ratio of test to deca. while not familiar with use of deca for HRT, cycles with test and deca typically keep the test/deca ratio at about 2:1. You're at 1:1, which can impact libido. sounds like you still have wood, and with that ratio, you're lucky.

With your test levels high, you might want to drop you deca down to 50mg/wk to get your 2:1 ratio, and introduce an aromatase inhibotor (a-dex, for example) to reduce your estrogen. Libido is often a function of the ratio of test to estrogen, and not solely driven by test levels. You're a perfect example, high test levels, but low libido.