Surely this phisisque assisted?

[Mac81]

Lee Priest is full of it.

Anybody can get "jacked" with steroids, nutrition, and intense training.

There is no genetic scrawny 90 pound dude after 12 weeks of eating 250 grams of protein daily on a 3500-4000 calories a day diet, training hard, and injecting 500mg of testosterone a week.

Then the next cycle, at 600test/300deca, and more calories, and progressive training . . .

Put the dude under the watchful eye of a solid coach, have him do whatever he is told and put in the effort with no excuses, and he will grow. A year or two later he will be unrecognizable as his former weakling self.

Genetics?

Genetics may keep you from being Mr. Olympia. They may even keep you from turning pro in open class. They are not, however, going to keep you from becoming "jacked," much less the Lee Priest claim that you "are never going to get jacked with them." THat's BS. The steroids will override your supposedly bad genetics, big time.

Guys who fail with steroids are guys who, mostly, do not eat correctly, and sometimes, do not train correctly, and, occasionally, both incorrectly. <-- and even they get some results.

That's just utter nonsense, You're not going to override a damn thing except your bank account when it goes flat broke from you trying to do it. You can take two completely different people and feed them the exact same thing give them the exact same drugs and make them do the exact same workout, And one of them will blow up like a f****** house and the other one simply will never even come close to it, That's the reality of it.

 

[Mac81]

Like The guy said above there's kids that are 15 years old throwing 315 around like it's nothing and they got there incredibly easy, you feed that guy steroids and he'll blow up like a truck, And there's other guys that will lift their heart out and do everything right and be lucky if they ever get there in 10 years, you feed that guy steroids and he's going to have mediocre results you can't rewrite your own genetic code, All you can do is enhance what was already there

 

[glpfun]

Lmao people bragging about going to prison, what a loser

 

[Mac81]

I didn't hear one person bragging about going to prison, I'm not proud of a lot of things I did 15 years ago, but I know damn well there's a lot more than just me on here that been there, I've read quite a few threads on here of guys that been there ,It's not as uncommon as you think and it's a lot easier to get there than you realize. You could be in a wreck tomorrow on your way to work and be there next month, you have no idea.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Lee Priest at 12, 14, and 16 years old:

 

[Mac81]

And you see similar things from every one of the pros, They were all f****** jacked at that age, It just came easy to them, then you throw some drugs into the mix, and freaky things happen. It simply doesn't work like that with your average guy, he would struggle to look that way on drugs. It truly is a gift, you were either born with it or you weren't, but you can't rewrite history, you will run out of money before you change your own genetics. Who the fuck lifts natural for 4 years and their body does that, lmao He's a genetic freak, you feed drugs to somebody like that, It's like some X-Men shit, your average Joe blow could take juice,work out 10 years hard and never look like he did at 16 years old natural,lol. All those f****** guys are like that, That's why we watch them because they're special, some people are gifted and some aren't, you got to take the cards that you were dealt, you can't just reshuffle the deck and pick new ones.

 

[Mac81]

He kind of earned the right to say, If you could be as big as a house you would be so shut the fuck up, because 90% of people couldn't get that big with the unlimited supply of drugs.

 

[malfeasance]

And you know when he started steroids how?

He is in his 50s.

Lots and lots of teenagers on gear in the 80s and 90s

You have no idea.

Neither do I, but then I am not claiming I do.

 

[Mac81]

And you know when he started steroids how?

He is in his 50s.

Lots and lots of teenagers on gear in the 80s and 90s

You have no idea.

Neither do I, but then I am not claiming I do.

Maybe you are right, because you are correct we don't know... But I find it funny everybody goes back to that same excuse.. everybody always says well he had to be doing steroids when he was a kid, They say that about all these guys,Like I said above nobody likes that old genetics thing that stares them back in the face, They run from it like the plague they'll come up with 90 reasons why it's something else, I don't buy it, All these guys weren't on steroids when they were teenagers ,That's my opinion, everybody's allowed to have their own.. It's just funny everybody has to go back to the drugs, you know what I think... I think people don't like to accept the fact that maybe their ordinary, everybody wants to be a winner today there's no such thing as losers All you have to do is try harder And you could be just as good.. which is complete horseshit, I don't care how hard you try You're not going to be the next Michael Jordan or Barry bonds, They are f****** special, And the rest of us are just plain ordinary , And for some reason that just really f**** with people and they just can't process it

 

[malfeasance]

I didn't hear one person bragging about going to prison, I'm not proud of a lot of things I did 15 years ago, but I know damn well there's a lot more than just me on here that been there, I've read quite a few threads on here of guys that been there ,It's not as uncommon as you think and it's a lot easier to get there than you realize. You could be in a wreck tomorrow on your way to work and be there next month, you have no idea.

It is a lot tougher than you might think.

We are not talking about jail or probation, but prison.

Only 5% of Americans are ever in prison, and we do not even know if you are American, which is a high incarceration rate country. Limit it to whites (again, we do not know if you are white, I am just saying) and that drops to 2.5%.

I do not know your IQ level, but prison is disproportionately low IQ, as IQ is inversely related to arrest and being placed in prison, with the population there having an average 2/3 of a standard deviation or so below normal.

So there are a lot of reasons to think that being in prison is very unlikely to happen to me.

 

[malfeasance]

Maybe you are right, because you are correct we don't know... But I find it funny everybody goes back to that same excuse.. everybody always says well he had to be doing steroids when he was a kid, They say that about all these guys,Like I said above nobody likes that old genetics thing that stares them back in the face, They run from it like the plague they'll come up with 90 reasons why it's something else, I don't buy it, All these guys weren't on steroids when they were teenagers ,That's my opinion, everybody's allowed to have their own.. It's just funny everybody has to go back to the drugs, you know what I think... I think people don't like to accept the fact that maybe their ordinary, everybody wants to be a winner today there's no such thing as losers All you have to do is try harder And you could be just as good.. which is complete horseshit, I don't care how hard you try You're not going to be the next Michael Jordan or Barry bonds, They are f****** special, And the rest of us are just plain ordinary , And for some reason that just really f**** with people and they just can't process it

I am not claiming Lee Priest does not have good genetics. The fact that we know his name as a professional bodybuilder means that he has good genetics.

I am just casting some doubt on the assertion that he was 100% natural in that picture when he was 16. This was a period of time when lots and lots of teenagers were doing steroids, and it is a little silly to think that somebody who is so immersed in the bodybuilding world that he is on stage in posing trunks at the age of 12 - think about that for a moment - would not have started using steroids within the next four years.

Both is mother and his father were bodybuilding competitors.

 

[Mac81]

United States has the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world, I don't know what stupid statistical analysis you're reading, there's so many people in prison they can't f****** build them fast enough, And some of the smartest people you'll ever meet in your life are in prison, That's a fact, And I don't know anybody that would argue it..I'm not even going to waste my time explaining to you or arguing this this is getting stupid or by the moment, you got me dead to rights, I'm an uneducated minority,

 

[Mac81]

United States has the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world, I don't know what stupid statistical analysis you're reading, there's so many people in prison they can't f****** build them fast enough, And some of the smartest people you'll ever meet in your life are in prison, That's a fact, And I don't know anybody that would argue it..I'm not even going to waste my time explaining to you or arguing this this is getting stupid or by the moment, you got me dead to rights, I'm an uneducated minority,

I was a straight A student raised in a private school my whole life, and signed up to be a pilot in the Air Force, I was anything but stupid, but I ended up in prison just like everybody else, prisons are packed full of extremely smart people, doesn't matter how they got there, It happens and it happens real quick, It takes very little, And if you don't come from a wealthy family you're f*****, The system's going to take you and they don't let go.

 

[AlexDavis43]

And you know when he started steroids how?

He is in his 50s.

Lots and lots of teenagers on gear in the 80s and 90s

You have no idea.

Neither do I, but then I am not claiming I do.

There were a few guys on gear in my high school in the 90s

 

[Mac81]

If you actually read the real statistics, most of the people in prison are smarter than the average population most of those dudes in there are brilliant, but once they get caught up in the system they're screwed for life and it doesn't matter, And this isn't something I've made up, This is something that's been studied, The problem is is once you have a record it doesn't matter how brilliant you are you're blackballed for life, It all comes down to what you use it for, And many of them used their brilliant minds to do criminal things, doesn't make them stupid It just means they chose to do something differently

 

[malfeasance]

I was a straight A student raised in a private school my whole life, and signed up to be a pilot in the Air Force, I was anything but stupid, but I ended up in prison just like everybody else, prisons are packed full of extremely smart people, doesn't matter how they got there, It happens and it happens real quick, It takes very little, And if you don't come from a wealthy family you're f*****, The system's going to take you and they don't let go.

You obviously do not understand how the information I posted relates to your one example or the odds generally.

 

[malfeasance]

If you actually read the real statistics, most of the people in prison are smarter than the average population most of those dudes in there are brilliant, but once they get caught up in the system they're screwed for life and it doesn't matter, And this isn't something I've made up, This is something that's been studied, The problem is is once you have a record it doesn't matter how brilliant you are you're blackballed for life, It all comes down to what you use it for, And many of them used their brilliant minds to do criminal things, doesn't make them stupid It just means they chose to do something differently

There is real data out there to study, and it does not reflect what you are claiming. Sorry.

 

[Mac81]

Okay you're right , I'm wrong Case closed.

 

[Mac81]

It's been studied in the prison system I know this because I did programs in the state prison system, And what they found is when they send most of them guys to school in there they ace everything They have higher GPAs then even seems possible, They blow through the classwork like it's not even there, that is how they know,I did several years of programs in there and I've seen it, guys have so many degrees and f****** certifications, because they have nothing else to do they're in there for life so they just go to school because the state pays for it,It It's definitely has been proven and studied and is true at least here in the United States

 

[malfeasance]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289613000524