Suspension vs. cyp etc...

[Musclez]

Hi guys. I know everyone always says test is test, but i also hear talk about suspension being amazing for size and strength. So my question is, is there any real truth to this? Is suspension any better than cyp for example in these regards? I understand susp will lead to higher blood levels initially, but within a week these same blood levels would be attained via cyp or enanthate etc... correct? I'd be using an oil based suspension, im looking to get strong, hard, and gain about 10 pounds this summer. Current stats, 6'2", 220lbs, low bf (not sure of % but i have veins and abs lol) im almost 24 years old and have done 4-5 cycles.

This would be y cycle:
100m susp ED weeks 1-20
100mg prop ED (to try and keep steadier bood levels) weeks 1-20
100mg tren ED weeks 1-8 and 12-20
50mg dbol ED Weeks 1-4 and 8-12 and 16-20
800mg EQ per week 1-18
1mg arimidex, 50mg nolva ED (i find nolva helps with tren gyno)
...and hcg and nolva at the end.

I know it's alot of shit, but well, that's how she goes. Comments?

Musclez

 

[joe shmoe]

comments? i dont like it. waaay too much test....1400mg/wk??? crazy in my opinion. especially with 800mg/wk of EQ, and 100mg of tren. 2300mg total per week!!! not to mention d-bols.

stick with the prop and you could shoot EOD. shooting suspension ED for 20 weeks is tough.

as for your question about blood levels equalizing about a week into the cycle...not true. cyp will take anywhere from 3-5 weeks to fully hit. the reason, maybe, that some say it is "amazing" is the fact that what you see is what you get with suspension. 100mg of suspension is a true 100mg of test. 100mg of cyp is about 68mg of test due to the ester weight. so yes, test is test in a way, but you'd need more cyp, or enanthate to equal suspension.

have a nice day

 

[Bob Smith]

Joe, it ends up being 2900mg of injectibles each week. IMO, its a huge cycle for someone that doesnt need that much gear to grow on. Either its lack of knowledge or an attempt to make up for shitty training and nutrition. For a 20 week cycle, you could easily grow 10 pounds with 500mg test and 400 EQ, with 50mg dbol.

 

[joe shmoe]

Joe, it ends up being 2900mg of injectibles each week



ooops, you're right. i only added one day of tren, not 7. but i agree that something is lacking...its not AAS thats for damn sure. and your cycle is right on too. hell, since its his 5th or 6th, lets bump him to 750mg/wk of test.

have a nice day

 

[borderbound]

test is test
however a 500 mg a week cycle of susp. is 500 mg of test molecules
a 500 mg a week cycle of cyp is about 425 mg of test molecules cause the ester adds weight to the molecules .... make sence ??

also i agree with the above posts you dont need near that much gear to gain , 500-700 a week test and 50- 75 mg tren ed should put on 20 +
pounds if you are eating and training right

 

[MaxRep]

WOW! That's what you need to take to gain 10 pounds!? I'm only 5'7" and I weigh as much as you do. I've been bodybuilding for 25 years, multiple contests and I've never taken near that much.

At your height and weight, you shouldn't need any steroids to put on 10 pounds. It sounds like you're using steroids as a crutch and never learned how to put on muscle with proper diet and training.

MaxRep

 

[deadguy]

that's rediculous. I think he meant it to be.

I'm 6'1", 264 lbs as of Wednesday, and I can still grow on 750mg test and 700mg tren a week. I have 4 years under my belt and my increases in doses have been gradual over those 4 years. 6'2" and 220 with a low BF% is usually the stats for a hard gainer. Get rid of steroids and never use them again. Consume lots of protein and sleep and you will be fine.

On another note...how many fucking times is the question abut test being test gonna be asked and explained?

 

[Latimus]

i like it

 

[finafreak]

that's rediculous. I think he meant it to be.

I'm 6'1", 264 lbs as of Wednesday, and I can still grow on 750mg test and 700mg tren a week. I have 4 years under my belt and my increases in doses have been gradual over those 4 years. 6'2" and 220 with a low BF% is usually the stats for a hard gainer. Get rid of steroids and never use them again. Consume lots of protein and sleep and you will be fine.

On another note...how many fucking times is the question abut test being test gonna be asked and explained?

Wow,700 mgs of tren damm,.no sides bro??Are u still alive,are u there?


fina

 

[Deacon]

I would never use susp over cyp or enth for a long cycle - susp is best used by lifters who want a last strength kick before a meet and want to maintain their weight class - it goes through you super fast

 

[deadguy]

Wow,700 mgs of tren damm,.no sides bro??Are u still alive,are u there?


fina

LOL..yeah i'm herre bro. I typically use 100mg/ed so it's 700/wk. Last year i used 120mg/ed for a cutting cycle, buit only ran that for 6 weeks. If I run 100.ed, it usually goes 8-10 weeks. Slightly elevated BP is the only side, but then again, that could be from the 750mg test taken with it.

 

[is_wizer]

LOL..yeah i'm herre bro. I typically use 100mg/ed so it's 700/wk. Last year i used 120mg/ed for a cutting cycle, buit only ran that for 6 weeks. If I run 100.ed, it usually goes 8-10 weeks. Slightly elevated BP is the only side, but then again, that could be from the 750mg test taken with it.

How often must test suspension be injected.. The most popular method seems to be once daily but now I hear twice a day is better..

What would be best??

 

[Bob Smith]

How often must test suspension be injected.. The most popular method seems to be once daily but now I hear twice a day is better..

What would be best??

3x/day would be even better, but seriously, how often do you want to poke holes in yourself?

 

[is_wizer]

3x/day would be even better, but seriously, how often do you want to poke holes in yourself?

Good point! LOL

 

[tazz]

That is one hell of a potent cycle . . .

 

[quedog123]

dude do you want to grow or commit suicide VIA roids???? do you want to live to get bigger? this isnt a cycl! it is self mutilation

 

[Latimus]

bodybuilders commonly take in that amount and even more...for the whole year...this guy isnt a newbie

 

[truly insane]

susp fine kicks in sooner but good lord your going to get tired of poking yourself.

 

[Musclez]

Here's what i say, if im going to live, it's going to be by my rules. I get all my blood checked and im perfectly healthy. And you know what else, i know so many of you dude's do the same amounts of gear, but apparently it's not kosher to admit to that on this board. You say "you don't need that much gear." Well, you don't need any gear do you? But you take more than a natural lifter. More is always betterand there is no such thing as a law of diminishing returns, nor is there such thing as cardiomyopathy or heart disease or liver cancer. If you believe the lie, it is true. Lol, mostly im just bullshitting with you, but really, i know most people probanbly do huge cycles. I've been on this board for 5 years and have been approached by the owner to be a mod a couple years ago (go ahead and ask him, old email was musclez21@ziplip.com).

My point with the mod talk is that In order to be respected around here, you have to pretend you're 280 pounds with no fat, a pHD in physiology and pharmacology and as long as we're living a fairy tale, might as well throw in a endocrinology doctorate. You also can only have done one cycle of 500mg test, 400mg deca and 25mg dbol weeks 1-4. Oh yeah, and you have to spend 20 hours a day on here. Think about it some mods have 2500 posts and this new board has only been around maybe 100 days (Do the math). I heard a mod dis someone for having so few posts, but doesn't that make him more knowledgable perhaps? Maybe he's actually working out and eating instead of doing 25 posts per day???

Otherwise, you get nothing but bullshit, lol. Flame away. I love it!

Latimus. You are one sexy bitch, know what im saaaaaaaayin'?

 

[Latimus]

oh i know what yer saaaaaaaying...its completely true

It's your cycle...thats what you are going to do..and you wanted honest critiquing from people who you thought could help. Instead you were burned alive...These forums turn into a echo of infinity. One guy says something and then everyone fallows suit. Do you have to be told you are going to die by everyone? Real helpfull.

I like how everyone loves Jay cutler and Ronnie coleman...but then disses anyone who does the same thing as them...if they put there cycle up would they be told the same thing...because its even more potent then his..

He asked for positive critiquing...not flaming...anyone who flames is a joke and people who recycle flames...they are complete morons.

I know this dude and he is one big man...the 500 mg of test doesnt cut it for the chemically enhanced...try to keep that in mind instead of letting your ignorance run wild..

know what im saaaaaaaaaaaayin?haha