Sustan 250

[Anth]

Now then guys some advice please lads !!
Iv been using sustan for a couple of months not a lot 2mil every other week and id say im the perfect size for what i was aiming for,The olny thing im wanting to do is cut up a little more,i put a lot of time and effort in to my diet and training in the gym and rather than continue on sustan using it as an extra help shall i try soming else ,a few people have asked me to try deca , What do people think? If i did how long with the corse and when?


Cheers Anth ....

 

[gman67]

Now then guys some advice please lads !!
Iv been using sustan for a couple of months not a lot 2mil every other week and id say im the perfect size for what i was aiming for,The olny thing im wanting to do is cut up a little more,i put a lot of time and effort in to my diet and training in the gym and rather than continue on sustan using it as an extra help shall i try soming else ,a few people have asked me to try deca , What do people think? If i did how long with the corse and when?


Cheers Anth ....

Well deca won't cut you up,,well it never has me anyway,,smooths me out more than anything,,better off with winny or tren for 5-6 wks. Run the sust for a couple more wks and finish it off with tren or winny. Probably should have asked this question a couple of wks ago.

 

[Anth]

Well deca won't cut you up,,well it never has me anyway,,smooths me out more than anything,,better off with winny or tren for 5-6 wks. Run the sust for a couple more wks and finish it off with tren or winny. Probably should have asked this question a couple of wks ago.

Thanks for that Fella,
I Know a couple of weeks ago would have been better,So winny everyother week with the sust for 6 weeks or every week? also when i stop this whats the break period i should give it and whats best to use to recover bearing in mind 2 mil every other week is nothing compared to some of the guys in my gym ....

 

[gman67]

Thanks for that Fella,
I Know a couple of weeks ago would have been better,So winny everyother week with the sust for 6 weeks or every week? also when i stop this whats the break period i should give it and whats best to use to recover bearing in mind 2 mil every other week is nothing compared to some of the guys in my gym ....

I'm assuming you're only running 500mg every other wk of sust. Kind of odd. I would have at least done 1ml per wk but I've seen stranger things that worked for different people.

Winstrol or tren will have to be done at the very least eod. Ed is better but eod is fine. The low end on winny would be 100mg eod and the tren 150 eod.

As for recovery though you're only doing 500mg eo wk you're just as shut down as anyone else. Since winny and tren are both fast acting you can start pct a couple of days after last shot.

 

[Anth]

I'm assuming you're only running 500mg every other wk of sust. Kind of odd. I would have at least done 1ml per wk but I've seen stranger things that worked for different people.

Winstrol or tren will have to be done at the very least eod. Ed is better but eod is fine. The low end on winny would be 100mg eod and the tren 150 eod.

As for recovery though you're only doing 500mg eo wk you're just as shut down as anyone else. Since winny and tren are both fast acting you can start pct a couple of days after last shot.

Thats great that mate ! Ill try it out,not sure why i started the 500mg Eoweek just somthing that worked so i just continued,So just one more thing when recover how long does this take in gen?
Ps do you think 500mg per week would be better? or would this be benifical for strength,i was a bit worried about going over the top ...

 

[Neodavid]

Honestly, I know sust is supposed to be long lasting, but here's the deal. It's made of 4x of test, super short, and super long lasting.

To get the most out of it, seriously, you should try every other day, at maybe 1cc (along with arimidex to keep it from turning into estrogen, and maybe some novladex to be sure you are safe against gyno).

When you go every 2 weeks, you totally lose the effects of 3 of the tests... plus, 2cc every other week is considered a really mild dose... not that terribly much above your normal test levels (not for muscle results anyway).

Don't switch yet, use what you have with more info, and I bet you will get your results.

Now then guys some advice please lads !!
Iv been using sustan for a couple of months not a lot 2mil every other week and id say im the perfect size for what i was aiming for,The olny thing im wanting to do is cut up a little more,i put a lot of time and effort in to my diet and training in the gym and rather than continue on sustan using it as an extra help shall i try soming else ,a few people have asked me to try deca , What do people think? If i did how long with the corse and when?


Cheers Anth ....

 

[Neodavid]

750 per week is not considered that heavy of a dose even...

A lot of guys do that much, plus decca, winnie, etc.

Do what you feel comfortable with, don't need to get yourself worried, but I've done 750 for the last month, and had no problems, feel fantastic.

Thats great that mate ! Ill try it out,not sure why i started the 500mg Eoweek just somthing that worked so i just continued,So just one more thing when recover how long does this take in gen?
Ps do you think 500mg per week would be better? or would this be benifical for strength,i was a bit worried about going over the top ...

 

[Anth]

750 per week is not considered that heavy of a dose even...

A lot of guys do that much, plus decca, winnie, etc.

Do what you feel comfortable with, don't need to get yourself worried, but I've done 750 for the last month, and had no problems, feel fantastic.

Fantastic advise thats just what i needed to know ! ...
Just so i have one thing clear take the Anti Es along with the sust are you meaning just in case?And im gonna give it another 4-5 weeks then stop for a while and do 500mg a week just to see a little more gain,Wasnt too worried just get paranoyed about es levels and making me look fat !!!!! My worst nightmare EVER .lol

 

[gman67]

Fantastic advise thats just what i needed to know ! ...
Just so i have one thing clear take the Anti Es along with the sust are you meaning just in case?And im gonna give it another 4-5 weeks then stop for a while and do 500mg a week just to see a little more gain,Wasnt too worried just get paranoyed about es levels and making me look fat !!!!! My worst nightmare EVER .lol

bumping to 500mg per wk of sust isn't going to cut you up,,and if you throw in a anti e you're not going to see much at all in the way of gains. now what exactly are you wanting to do??

 

[Anth]

bumping to 500mg per wk of sust isn't going to cut you up,,and if you throw in a anti e you're not going to see much at all in the way of gains. now what exactly are you wanting to do??

Im happy with the way the last 6 weeks have gone and i look good but idealy id like to see a little more defenition with slightly more gain .. increasing the amount will help me in training thus see the extra result i was thinking ....

 

[gman67]

Im happy with the way the last 6 weeks have gone and i look good but idealy id like to see a little more defenition with slightly more gain .. increasing the amount will help me in training thus see the extra result i was thinking ....

The problem is you're 8wks in and bumping it up a little isn't going to make much difference, you're probably better off tweaking the diet a little, but good luck, I hope it works for you. Next time throw some tren in the last 5 wks,,you'll be amazed.

 

[Anth]

The problem is you're 8wks in and bumping it up a little isn't going to make much difference, you're probably better off tweaking the diet a little, but good luck, I hope it works for you. Next time throw some tren in the last 5 wks,,you'll be amazed.

Nice one mate ill try that thanks for your advise,Before you go ,How long shall i recover for before starting another corse?

 

[gman67]

Nice one mate ill try that thanks for your advise,Before you go ,How long shall i recover for before starting another corse?

Well the normal protocol is to take off as long as you were on but I never follow that lol. But you would be better off to do that.

 

[Anth]

Well the normal protocol is to take off as long as you were on but I never follow that lol. But you would be better off to do that.

Cool! Ill get some cloid to finish on and try the Trenbol next time with the sust and just mix it for the last 5 weeks .

 

[Neodavid]

What the hell are you talking about?

Throwing in an enti-e won't stop gains, it HELPS gains, because more test stays as test and doesn't change to estrogen.

bumping to 500mg per wk of sust isn't going to cut you up,,and if you throw in a anti e you're not going to see much at all in the way of gains. now what exactly are you wanting to do??

 

[Neodavid]

I don't know where gman is coming from, but trust me, if you go from 250 a week (or 500 every two weeks as you are doing), to say 750 a week by doing 1 cc of sust every other day, you WILL notice a big difference.

Another 5 weeks of that and you will be able to get much more cut, as long as you take arimidex or something to keep the test from turning to estrogen.

You will lose even more water when you get off, and the cuts will really show. The cuts don't show as well when you are on test alone. Too much water...

So yes, take arimidex, maybe .25 daily, to keep the estrogen down while you are on sust.

I don't know gman or where he's getting his info, but he's just wrong. Get some more input from other sources though if you are concerned. But you can look at the top forum posts which show examples of cycles, and they show much larger levels than 250 per week... it's perfectly safe to do 750, and you will gain a lot more from it than 250. That's just the way it is.

And it's not bad to increase as you go to, because your body gets more used to test as you go. you get more receptors, so you need more.

Stopping now short of your goals doesn't make any sense, not when you could run another 5 weeks of 750 a week. That's when all the real gains would be seen.

You will want to get some hcg though, if you are running that long of a cycle. Look into that if you don't know what it is. It brings your nuts back up to size. Guy on long cycles often use it mid cycle to keep them from atrophying too much. Then at the end, while still on test, you bring them up to normal function again, and a week or so (I think with sust it's longer, because it's so long lasting in your system, look it up...), you take clomid to let your pituitary normalize LH production.

That way you keep your gains.

Please read the stickes at the top of the forum.

Fantastic advise thats just what i needed to know ! ...
Just so i have one thing clear take the Anti Es along with the sust are you meaning just in case?And im gonna give it another 4-5 weeks then stop for a while and do 500mg a week just to see a little more gain,Wasnt too worried just get paranoyed about es levels and making me look fat !!!!! My worst nightmare EVER .lol

 

[gman67]

I don't know where gman is coming from, but trust me, if you go from 250 a week (or 500 every two weeks as you are doing), to say 750 a week by doing 1 cc of sust every other day, you WILL notice a big difference.

Another 5 weeks of that and you will be able to get much more cut, as long as you take arimidex or something to keep the test from turning to estrogen.

You will lose even more water when you get off, and the cuts will really show. The cuts don't show as well when you are on test alone. Too much water...

So yes, take arimidex, maybe .25 daily, to keep the estrogen down while you are on sust.

I don't know gman or where he's getting his info, but he's just wrong. Get some more input from other sources though if you are concerned. But you can look at the top forum posts which show examples of cycles, and they show much larger levels than 250 per week... it's perfectly safe to do 750, and you will gain a lot more from it than 250. That's just the way it is.

And it's not bad to increase as you go to, because your body gets more used to test as you go. you get more receptors, so you need more.

Stopping now short of your goals doesn't make any sense, not when you could run another 5 weeks of 750 a week. That's when all the real gains would be seen.

You will want to get some hcg though, if you are running that long of a cycle. Look into that if you don't know what it is. It brings your nuts back up to size. Guy on long cycles often use it mid cycle to keep them from atrophying too much. Then at the end, while still on test, you bring them up to normal function again, and a week or so (I think with sust it's longer, because it's so long lasting in your system, look it up...), you take clomid to let your pituitary normalize LH production.

That way you keep your gains.

Please read the stickes at the top of the forum.

Oh Lord,,where do i get my info from, try 10yrs of cycling, trial and error and reading. You fall into the category of people who think more is always better. Would 500-750 per wk have been better,,yes but not at this stage,,he's better off switching compounds to accomplish his goal.
The only other thing I'm going to add to this is to the person who posed the question. First it was a poorly planned cycle. This late in the ballgame bumping the dosage a little isn't going to do a whole lot. You're much better off adding tren or winny if leaning up a little is what you're after and watching the diet. Lastly, next time ask this question before you start your cycle,,it will save alot of headaches.

 

[gman67]

What the hell are you talking about?

Throwing in an enti-e won't stop gains, it HELPS gains, because more test stays as test and doesn't change to estrogen.

Never said it would stop gains now did I. You seem to forget he's 8 wks into his cycle,,he's not just starting it,,big difference. Even though he's only taking 500mg eow he's saturated enough that a little bump in dosage won't be that noticeable. Been there done that. BTW I never knew sust was a cutting drug,,that's a new one on me. For my next cycle I think I'll try that,,start with sust and throw in some arimidex at the end to cut up lol.

 

[Neodavid]

I said I don't know where you were coming from, as in, I don't know what you were saying exactly. Sometimes guys post short messages that don't make their point clear. They leave out something that explains it. That means I wasn't trying to be offensive by saying the opposite of what you were saying. I assumed you didn't explain enough for it to make sense.

As far as cut, that's how I get cut without losing muscle. I gain muscle and lose weight simultaneously, though I know a lot of guys don't say you can, or sound like they say you can't.

In fact I've never bulked, mostly because I don't want to struggle with weight loss later. I'd rather gain lean, or get leaner while on, and gain a little less.

Never said it would stop gains now did I. You seem to forget he's 8 wks into his cycle,,he's not just starting it,,big difference. Even though he's only taking 500mg eow he's saturated enough that a little bump in dosage won't be that noticeable. Been there done that. BTW I never knew sust was a cutting drug,,that's a new one on me. For my next cycle I think I'll try that,,start with sust and throw in some arimidex at the end to cut up lol.

 

[Neodavid]

You said this, ",and if you throw in a anti e you're not going to see much at all in the way of gains."

That's about as close to saying he won't make gains because of an anti-e as I've heard. What else could it mean? By all means explain away. That's just how it reads to me...

Never said it would stop gains now did I. You seem to forget he's 8 wks into his cycle,,he's not just starting it,,big difference. Even though he's only taking 500mg eow he's saturated enough that a little bump in dosage won't be that noticeable. Been there done that. BTW I never knew sust was a cutting drug,,that's a new one on me. For my next cycle I think I'll try that,,start with sust and throw in some arimidex at the end to cut up lol.