Sustan 250

[gman67]

You said this, ",and if you throw in a anti e you're not going to see much at all in the way of gains."

That's about as close to saying he won't make gains because of an anti-e as I've heard. What else could it mean? By all means explain away. That's just how it reads to me...

Well you read a little too much into it. What I meant to a small extent is that adding more sust AT THIS POINT if he gained anything would be mostly water weight depending on diet. But he won't see that because he'll be using an anti e so basically he's still at square 1. At this point bumping the dosages isn't going to perform magic. In order to put on more size he's going to have to up the calories and there goes any cuts he was hoping to see.

Some guys can cut on test,,me being one of them but that isn't the majority. All I'm saying is there are much better options out there to obtain the goal he's looking for.

 

[Anth]

Well you read a little too much into it. What I meant to a small extent is that adding more sust AT THIS POINT if he gained anything would be mostly water weight depending on diet. But he won't see that because he'll be using an anti e so basically he's still at square 1. At this point bumping the dosages isn't going to perform magic. In order to put on more size he's going to have to up the calories and there goes any cuts he was hoping to see.

Some guys can cut on test,,me being one of them but that isn't the majority. All I'm saying is there are much better options out there to obtain the goal he's looking for.

Iv got some winny (tabs) here to take for the corse and continue on the sust aslo till i finish,Although im rather conserned about the recovery period here,Iv herd some strange things about the side effects coming off,Im going to det on the clomid & novladex after my last injec but just heard so many diffrent things on what to do,Ie still take sust as an matenence dose 250mg(Ew)!!,All ill lose too much size, So im thinking Ehhhh!! I want to take a good 10 weeks off after the sust and the winny corse ends so im just hoping the clom & novlad dose the trick and i still come out been able to have kids one day!!!

Maybe im just getting paranoyed now tho .

Anth

 

[ramboj70]

Iv got some winny (tabs) here to take for the corse and continue on the sust aslo till i finish,Although im rather conserned about the recovery period here,Iv herd some strange things about the side effects coming off,Im going to det on the clomid & novladex after my last injec but just heard so many diffrent things on what to do,Ie still take sust as an matenence dose 250mg(Ew)!!,All ill lose too much size, So im thinking Ehhhh!! I want to take a good 10 weeks off after the sust and the winny corse ends so im just hoping the clom & novlad dose the trick and i still come out been able to have kids one day!!!

Maybe im just getting paranoyed now tho .

Anth

hey Ant, if you have winny tabs I am asssuming there 50mg take one a day for 50days, now the sust being taking every other weeks did nothing in my eyes, maybe got you just a little horney, I would go atleast 500mg week, shit I went 1000mg week and got great gaines,

 

[Neodavid]

See, that's what I meant, I didn't understand where you were coming from. Your statement "And if he takes an anit-e, he's not going to see much in the way of gains" reads pretty specifically on a forum.

Now I see you meant, "Becuase he's on anti-e's he won't see water gain, and because he's been on test, upping the dose won't help now, so his gains will be minimal".

I'll let you know how my own experience with that goes. I upped my does along to way, to give my body more test as it got used to it. I thought I'd play with ramping up, since the body creates more test receptors as you stay on test.

Well you read a little too much into it. What I meant to a small extent is that adding more sust AT THIS POINT if he gained anything would be mostly water weight depending on diet. But he won't see that because he'll be using an anti e so basically he's still at square 1. At this point bumping the dosages isn't going to perform magic. In order to put on more size he's going to have to up the calories and there goes any cuts he was hoping to see.

Some guys can cut on test,,me being one of them but that isn't the majority. All I'm saying is there are much better options out there to obtain the goal he's looking for.

 

[Anth]

Yeah i did notice maybe the horny thing id say and the fist few weeks on sust a slight tightening in the gym which i get all the time now,Correct the Winnys are 50mg so ill do 1 a day and you reckon instead of EOW an EW or EOD 500 mg a week of sust with the winny too,(shall i also take arimidex with this mg of sust pw?)Great thats what ill do,to be honest i would say i did a lot in the gym before ever touching sust or anything and if anything iv just got more defined with it with around half a stone of muscle in the right places,ie lats,shoulders,traps,So im going to go another 6weeks with the sust and winny at the mg. we'v mentioned,And i was little concerned with the recovery after that but im told clomid for a couple of weeks should straighten me out and your bodys nat test will start up again.
ps.Hope i dont sound too novice on this !!

Nice one lads this is appreciated !

 

[Neodavid]

Sounds like you have a good plan, but don't forget the hcg to bring your nuts back up to size. Otherwise brining your pituitary online with clomid won't help nearly as much.

The idea is to get them both turned on, since they cycle off each other. The weakest part of the link will still make it not work right.

Get the nuts up to speed while on test, then use the clomid after the test is out of your system, to keep the LH going strong (which tells your boys to produce test).

After 4 weeks of clomid, everything should be pretty stable and you can quite.

Yeah i did notice maybe the horny thing id say and the fist few weeks on sust a slight tightening in the gym which i get all the time now,Correct the Winnys are 50mg so ill do 1 a day and you reckon instead of EOW an EW or EOD 500 mg a week of sust with the winny too,(shall i also take arimidex with this mg of sust pw?)Great thats what ill do,to be honest i would say i did a lot in the gym before ever touching sust or anything and if anything iv just got more defined with it with around half a stone of muscle in the right places,ie lats,shoulders,traps,So im going to go another 6weeks with the sust and winny at the mg. we'v mentioned,And i was little concerned with the recovery after that but im told clomid for a couple of weeks should straighten me out and your bodys nat test will start up again.
ps.Hope i dont sound too novice on this !!

Nice one lads this is appreciated !

 

[Anth]

Sounds like you have a good plan, but don't forget the hcg to bring your nuts back up to size. Otherwise brining your pituitary online with clomid won't help nearly as much.

The idea is to get them both turned on, since they cycle off each other. The weakest part of the link will still make it not work right.

Get the nuts up to speed while on test, then use the clomid after the test is out of your system, to keep the LH going strong (which tells your boys to produce test).

After 4 weeks of clomid, everything should be pretty stable and you can quite.

Yes this is gonna sound real stupid but "Hcg" is ???
and am i right in thinking taking only 1 clomid tab daily for 4 wks is about right after the test is out of my sytem?

Sorry bud my education on recovery is non existant !! Lol
Anth

 

[Neodavid]

Read the posts at the top of the forum (hint hint for the 3rd time...), they tell you all about each drug.

HCG makes your nuts grow again after shrinking and turning off while on test.

Clomid tells your pituitary the same deal, because IT shut down too.

Read up on the HPTA cycle.

If you don't do BOTH, it's mostly a waste, and maybe worse, to do only one.

HCG last 3 weeks at maybe 500iu per day.

Let's say you were on straight test, and it got out of your system in a week.

SO, the last 3 weeks of being on test, you start taking hcg, and continue taking hcg until all the test if out of your system (say 7-10 days after last shot).

This grows your nuts back to size, so you don't lose all your muscle from lack of normal test levels.

BUT, now that you stop using HCG, you have to tell your pituitary to start producing LH... which is what tells your nuts to work, naturally.

If you don't, your LH levels are supressed, and your nuts get smaller again, even while no test is in your system. Recovery can take a long time, several months.

But if you take clomid, it tells your nuts to keep making test. You need this for a month to restore the cycle. They work together.

Now go read the posts at the top darn it, I'm tired of answering questions from the same guy cause he won't go read what I told him too three times (smile).

No real hard feelings, just please go read...

Yes this is gonna sound real stupid but "Hcg" is ???
and am i right in thinking taking only 1 clomid tab daily for 4 wks is about right after the test is out of my sytem?

Sorry bud my education on recovery is non existant !! Lol
Anth

 

[Anth]

Read the posts at the top of the forum (hint hint for the 3rd time...), they tell you all about each drug.

HCG makes your nuts grow again after shrinking and turning off while on test.

Clomid tells your pituitary the same deal, because IT shut down too.

Read up on the HPTA cycle.

If you don't do BOTH, it's mostly a waste, and maybe worse, to do only one.

HCG last 3 weeks at maybe 500iu per day.

Let's say you were on straight test, and it got out of your system in a week.

SO, the last 3 weeks of being on test, you start taking hcg, and continue taking hcg until all the test if out of your system (say 7-10 days after last shot).

This grows your nuts back to size, so you don't lose all your muscle from lack of normal test levels.

BUT, now that you stop using HCG, you have to tell your pituitary to start producing LH... which is what tells your nuts to work, naturally.

If you don't, your LH levels are supressed, and your nuts get smaller again, even while no test is in your system. Recovery can take a long time, several months.

But if you take clomid, it tells your nuts to keep making test. You need this for a month to restore the cycle. They work together.

Now go read the posts at the top darn it, I'm tired of answering questions from the same guy cause he won't go read what I told him too three times (smile).

No real hard feelings, just please go read...

So these Posts are where bottom of this forum?? Lol
Just kidding mate thats spot on ill go read it !!

 

[Neodavid]

Oh no, another smart ass...

(grin)

So these Posts are where bottom of this forum?? Lol
Just kidding mate thats spot on ill go read it !!

 

[gman67]

Oh no, another smart ass...

(grin)

It's all good,,nothing like a friendly debate. 500mg eow doesn't sound like much to alot of people but I continually see firsthand guys putting on 25-30 pds with 1cc of test and even sustanon per wk. but that's a whole nother topic.

 

[Anth]

It's all good,,nothing like a friendly debate. 500mg eow doesn't sound like much to alot of people but I continually see firsthand guys putting on 25-30 pds with 1cc of test and even sustanon per wk. but that's a whole nother topic.

I Know a lot of guys do a lot more than me .. and in all fairness are twice as big also,I Still like to think i work hard in the gym but it has slowed up gain wise in the last few weeks so im waiting to see what effect this winny has on me after 6 weeks along with the sust hopfully all goes well ...
I Hear winny is quite hard on your liver but hey im 22 and dont drink silly amounts on the weekend i think i might just live thro it all, Lol !!

Once iv got the recovery all clear in my head ill be laughing just my brains took so much in the last few weeks my brains slowing up i think,my mates hound me for info as they know im living in the gym the last few months so i try learn as much as i can in free time ,This forums been great tho,Talking with lads that actually are in the same situations and have been there and done that is second to none !!!!

 

[Neodavid]

Would that be their first cycle though?

My first cycle I did 250 a week and grew like wildfire.

This time I'm on 750, but got injured, but am only now after 8 weeks, back to where I was at the end of that cycle. I've got 4 more weeks to go, and quite honestly in debate about this very question. Do I stop now, short of my goals, or hope for the best.


I have this thing against quiting... (grin)

It's all good,,nothing like a friendly debate. 500mg eow doesn't sound like much to alot of people but I continually see firsthand guys putting on 25-30 pds with 1cc of test and even sustanon per wk. but that's a whole nother topic.

 

[Anth]

I Know a lot of guys do a lot more than me .. and in all fairness are twice as big also,I Still like to think i work hard in the gym but it has slowed up gain wise in the last few weeks so im waiting to see what effect this winny has on me after 6 weeks along with the sust hopfully all goes well ...
I Hear winny is quite hard on your liver but hey im 22 and dont drink silly amounts on the weekend i think i might just live thro it all, Lol !!

Once iv got the recovery all clear in my head ill be laughing just my brains took so much in the last few weeks my brains slowing up i think,my mates hound me for info as they know im living in the gym the last few months so i try learn as much as i can in free time ,This forums been great tho,Talking with lads that actually are in the same situations and have been there and done that is second to none !!!!

Defo continue your more than half way thro dude , inurys are the bigest nightmare ever tho !!!
the guys in the gym are on about 750 per week with deca but honestly its just to big for me ,my goals now is just tweaking certain parts , gain another inch on tri's and bi's and cut my abb's more up so after this corse of winny and test im having summer off and just eat by the book,Which the apception of a few weeks holiday that is !
Im still in two minds weather to pull up to 500mg EW or EOW with the winny as i cant see EW making any huge diffrence with me ..

 

[gman67]

My first cycle was 1cc primoteston per wk and I put on 30 some odd pounds.
And yes this was most of the guys first cycle. Of course each cycle will bring diminishing returns otherwise we'd all be 300pds.

I've tried quite a few combos at one time or another. I've used 2000mg test per wk just to find out I didn't grow anymore than I did with 500-750mg. Nowadays I just use different combos to get the desired results.

Winny done in moderation won't be anymore harsh than anything else.

 

[Neodavid]

I'll have to try that then... Don't want orals, but I'd do another injectable (my liver is my friend).

I'm thinking Tren Enenthate. GB and a few others have been happy as shit with it, and they've gone through many cycles, so that stuff apparently lets you start all over again like a newbie.

My first cycle was 1cc primoteston per wk and I put on 30 some odd pounds.
And yes this was most of the guys first cycle. Of course each cycle will bring diminishing returns otherwise we'd all be 300pds.

I've tried quite a few combos at one time or another. I've used 2000mg test per wk just to find out I didn't grow anymore than I did with 500-750mg. Nowadays I just use different combos to get the desired results.

Winny done in moderation won't be anymore harsh than anything else.

 

[Anth]

I'll have to try that then... Don't want orals, but I'd do another injectable (my liver is my friend).

I'm thinking Tren Enenthate. GB and a few others have been happy as shit with it, and they've gone through many cycles, so that stuff apparently lets you start all over again like a newbie.

These winny tabs are 5mg tabs Hmmmm can this be correct ??
Thats what 10 a day !

 

[Neodavid]

Yeah, but you can get it in liquid form and drink it in juice instead...

They are small, you can take a handful at a time if you swallow it with pudding or a bannana.

These winny tabs are 5mg tabs Hmmmm can this be correct ??
Thats what 10 a day !

 

[Anth]

Yeah, but you can get it in liquid form and drink it in juice instead...

They are small, you can take a handful at a time if you swallow it with pudding or a bannana.

So what im taking 10 tabs thro the day or just going on a mission and having all 10 at once ? 10 tabs a day for 50 days .. My word!!!
I Glanced and thought they where 50mg not 5mg Lol so this is right is it just so i dont waist myself .. 10 per day for 50 days? !

Also this recovery is starting to freak me right out,Iv read loads and maybe a LITTLE Parinoyed! iv been told to stay on my cycle thro out summer with sust,All this es floating around my body is this gonna turn me in to a nill sex drive small bolocked - no muscle freak from my temple of a self ..Arrhhg ......

 

[dzl66]

I'll have to try that then... Don't want orals, but I'd do another injectable (my liver is my friend).

I'm thinking Tren Enenthate. GB and a few others have been happy as shit with it, and they've gone through many cycles, so that stuff apparently lets you start all over again like a newbie.

I would'nt bother with the winny I would use tren. If you want cuts with dry mass thats your answer.