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Switching Cypionate to Gel
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Swale,
Do you think this calculator is of any value?
I have even come up with a formula (which I have tested extensively) where if one is switching from one dose of T Cypionate to another, one can calculate the exact amount of the frontloaded dose in order to stabilise blood levels after 1 week at the new dose.
What do you think?
Do you think this calculator is of any value?
I have even come up with a formula (which I have tested extensively) where if one is switching from one dose of T Cypionate to another, one can calculate the exact amount of the frontloaded dose in order to stabilise blood levels after 1 week at the new dose.
What do you think?
mranak said:
I know the changes are not linear and it shows in the diagram that I have attached. This diagram shows 100mg per week regimen done 3 ways: First simply 100mg per week which takes about 6 weeks to stabilise; frontloaded with 180mg which takes 1 week to stabilise; and every 3rd day. With the weekly shot the fluctuation from high to low is 47%. With every 3rd day the fluctuation is 20%.
I'm not sure whether this calculator is worth considering or not. It has assigned a half-life of 6 days to Depo-T which it says is based on studies. If it is worthwhile, then it would be extremely usefull.
I am hoping that anybody with experience about this will give their opinion....Headdoc, SWALE, JBoldman.....
Somebody break the silence.
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i like swales's method. The roid calculator is too simplistic to be universally accurate. Too many variable, site locations, bolus sizw, oil used. It says it calculates the blood plasma level of the steroid when in reality it just plugs values for guestimated half-lives of the ester calculating the remaining amount of steroid ester left in the body.. THe actual blood plasma levels we would be interested in would be the testosterone.
jb
jb
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JB, I seem to recall you posted a graph on the distribution test cyp over the course of a week. Do you recall?
maximus_1967
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androgel 5mg or 10mg
Well guys the family doctor put me on 10mg after being on 5mg for 3 months. I started with a total t-level of approx. 270 (260-1000 scale) with 5mg I was at 345 total (same scale) and felt pretty good. I switched to 10mg for about a month and to be honest I didnt feel as well,sleep as well or think as well. I just didnt feel sharp at all.
I went back to 5mg and feel great again.
My conclusion is that people including myself tend to think that MORE is always better. Well in my case its not.
From here out until the next blood test , Im taking 5mg. Oh yea by the way the sex drive went down on 10mg rather than up and I also noticed shrinking testicles on 10mg. I dont have that issue on 5mg .
I may consider thinking of things in hours rather than days. For example , I could use a 5mg packet every 18 hours rather than every 24 hours.
Well guys the family doctor put me on 10mg after being on 5mg for 3 months. I started with a total t-level of approx. 270 (260-1000 scale) with 5mg I was at 345 total (same scale) and felt pretty good. I switched to 10mg for about a month and to be honest I didnt feel as well,sleep as well or think as well. I just didnt feel sharp at all.
I went back to 5mg and feel great again.
My conclusion is that people including myself tend to think that MORE is always better. Well in my case its not.
From here out until the next blood test , Im taking 5mg. Oh yea by the way the sex drive went down on 10mg rather than up and I also noticed shrinking testicles on 10mg. I dont have that issue on 5mg .
I may consider thinking of things in hours rather than days. For example , I could use a 5mg packet every 18 hours rather than every 24 hours.
maximus_1967
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Thanks
I really think it boils down to 5 mg isnt enough to shut my own production. I feel 10mg is shutting things down. Ive noticed that the testicles were shrinking on 10mg and thats not the case on 5mg. I feel like I may be better off ''long term'' if I can keep my own system working.Of corse I could be wrong about everything.
I really think it boils down to 5 mg isnt enough to shut my own production. I feel 10mg is shutting things down. Ive noticed that the testicles were shrinking on 10mg and thats not the case on 5mg. I feel like I may be better off ''long term'' if I can keep my own system working.Of corse I could be wrong about everything.
Axl
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Roid calc = toy
I think it does not have a lot of value. I ran a simple test. I entered 200 mg T enanthate every two weeks and compared the curve of the roidcalc with the values measured in this study (see figure 1 page 4 in attachment). They didn't match...
One should expect that the curve of the roidcalc would start to shurge after one or two days (like the curve on figure 1 page 4).
Conclusion: the time-lag is not incorporated in Roidcalc. The tool is incorrect. I would not trust it. Consider it a toy.
However, the difference might be due to the fact that Roidcalc works in "mg in the system" whereas Dobs works with "measured ng/dl"...?
I think it does not have a lot of value. I ran a simple test. I entered 200 mg T enanthate every two weeks and compared the curve of the roidcalc with the values measured in this study (see figure 1 page 4 in attachment). They didn't match...
One should expect that the curve of the roidcalc would start to shurge after one or two days (like the curve on figure 1 page 4).
Conclusion: the time-lag is not incorporated in Roidcalc. The tool is incorrect. I would not trust it. Consider it a toy.
However, the difference might be due to the fact that Roidcalc works in "mg in the system" whereas Dobs works with "measured ng/dl"...?
maximus_1967
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I honestly dont understand how a programed calculater can determine how or what levels your going to be at with specific doses. I mean we've already seen on every HRT site that everyone(s) body responds differently. And we've also seen that even a minor change in dose isnt linear at all ,except in rare cases ,i suppose.
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