Switching Esters

[Andrewthatguy]

Hey so I was wondering if anyone had experience with something like this. So for compounds you do the first time the suggestion is you do the short ester. Once you’ve been on that compound to the point it’s saturated do you think from that point it’s good to switch to a long ester. Specifically like running npp and after you’ve been on it long enough to understand the side effects and your tolerance to switch to deca. I don’t think I’d do this with Tren cause ace has more Tren in it overall, and I tolerate it pretty well.

 

[tweek]

As in for next cycle switching to the long ester? Is what im understanding

For me I started off with npp, reacted really well to it for the whole cycle with zero issues with deca dick or anything

Next bulk phase I switched to deca which I noticed the joint effects more compared to npp and again reacted really well to it with zero issues.

But on this bulk phase im back to npp just because I prefer the faster acting ester and find i hold less water.

Its all personal preference really especially if you prefer pinning less

 

[BALLISTIC]

Hey so I was wondering if anyone had experience with something like this. So for compounds you do the first time the suggestion is you do the short ester. Once you’ve been on that compound to the point it’s saturated do you think from that point it’s good to switch to a long ester. Specifically like running npp and after you’ve been on it long enough to understand the side effects and your tolerance to switch to deca. I don’t think I’d do this with Tren cause ace has more Tren in it overall, and I tolerate it pretty well.

So using NPP since you referenced it already...

NPP has a half life 3 to 4 days, steady state is usually reached in 2 weeks. For Deca half life 6 to 12 days depending, steady state takes 4 to 6 weeks. So if you switch the short ester clears. The long ester gradually builds. There will be an overlap period.

You don’t carry saturation over. You’re just swapping esters of the same base hormone.

To be effective you would want to maintain the short ester, while introducing the long. What I'm describing is essentially a crossover period, not a hard switch.

When moving from Nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) to, Nandrolone decanoate (Deca), you don’t stop NPP the same day you inject Deca because NPP clears relatively fast (short ester), Deca takes several weeks to build to steady levels.

If you stopped NPP immediately, you'd create a nandrolone dip while Deca is still climbing.

This is irrelevant if your testing tolerance, and in a follow up cycle you utilize the other. But in the case, where your trying to switch, it will be imperative to introduce simultaneously. This dosing will rely on actual milligrams being used.

Hope that helps.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

So using NPP since you referenced it already...

NPP has a half life 3 to 4 days, steady state is usually reached in 2 weeks. For Deca half life 6 to 12 days depending, steady state takes 4 to 6 weeks. So if you switch the short ester clears. The long ester gradually builds. There will be an overlap period.

You don’t carry saturation over. You’re just swapping esters of the same base hormone.

To be effective you would want to maintain the short ester, while introducing the long. What I'm describing is essentially a crossover period, not a hard switch.

When moving from Nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) to, Nandrolone decanoate (Deca), you don’t stop NPP the same day you inject Deca because NPP clears relatively fast (short ester), Deca takes several weeks to build to steady levels.

If you stopped NPP immediately, you'd create a nandrolone dip while Deca is still climbing.

This is irrelevant if your testing tolerance, and in a follow up cycle you utilize the other. But in the case, where your trying to switch, it will be imperative to introduce simultaneously. This dosing will rely on actual milligrams being used.

Hope that helps.

Yeah actually that’s super helpful. Guess my deca will have to sit for a while and I’ll grab some npp to run instead. Hey while you’re here. I got a pretty sick (in my eyes) look going atm from my cycle (it’s got Tren in it) I popped a t3 today and I’m kind of not sure if it’s even worth it, like if it’s going to fuck up my look. Like will t3 do that? And if so, could I just not take anymore without it fucking with my thyroid?

 

[TheDuderino85]

I know of some folks who run the deca but will also run the npp the first 4 weeks until the Deca saturates

 

[adrenalytic]

So using NPP since you referenced it already...

NPP has a half life 3 to 4 days, steady state is usually reached in 2 weeks. For Deca half life 6 to 12 days depending, steady state takes 4 to 6 weeks. So if you switch the short ester clears. The long ester gradually builds. There will be an overlap period.

You don’t carry saturation over. You’re just swapping esters of the same base hormone.

To be effective you would want to maintain the short ester, while introducing the long. What I'm describing is essentially a crossover period, not a hard switch.

When moving from Nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) to, Nandrolone decanoate (Deca), you don’t stop NPP the same day you inject Deca because NPP clears relatively fast (short ester), Deca takes several weeks to build to steady levels.

If you stopped NPP immediately, you'd create a nandrolone dip while Deca is still climbing.

This is irrelevant if your testing tolerance, and in a follow up cycle you utilize the other. But in the case, where your trying to switch, it will be imperative to introduce simultaneously. This dosing will rely on actual milligrams being used.

Hope that helps.

I'll be doing exactly this when I move from test E to test D. This is one of those times where prop will be useful during the crossover period. As the E drops off the, D is building up and the P is keeping me steady state under the hood. Timed correctly, it should be unnoticeable to me physiologically.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

I'll be doing exactly this when I move from test E to test D. This is one of those times where prop will be useful during the crossover period. As the E drops off the, D is building up and the P is keeping me steady state under the hood. Timed correctly, it should be unnoticeable to me physiologically.

What’s with the test d and u esters? I don’t really understand the difference in those esters, or like sustanon or whatever it’s called and shit like that.

 

[oldage]

Yeah actually that’s super helpful. Guess my deca will have to sit for a while and I’ll grab some npp to run instead. Hey while you’re here. I got a pretty sick (in my eyes) look going atm from my cycle (it’s got Tren in it) I popped a t3 today and I’m kind of not sure if it’s even worth it, like if it’s going to fuck up my look. Like will t3 do that? And if so, could I just not take anymore without it fucking with my thyroid?

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Use this to help time the crossover of the two esters to maintain steady blood levels.

 

[oldage]

What’s with the test d and u esters? I don’t really understand the difference in those esters, or like sustanon or whatever it’s called and shit like that.

Test D u can get the dosage much higher without pip, 500mg/ml. A lot of guys, including myself, run the test U as a base TRT and build on it. Others like to use it for vactions, for example. Dont need to pin when out of country.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

Test D u can get the dosage much higher without pip, 500mg/ml. A lot of guys, including myself, run the test U as a base TRT and build on it. Others like to use it for vactions, for example. Dont need to pin when out of country.

Does that mean it’s a super long ester? Cause I’m assuming vacation is 2+ weeks

 

[adrenalytic]

What’s with the test d and u esters? I don’t really understand the difference in those esters, or like sustanon or whatever it’s called and shit like that.

less shots, smoother levels.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Yeah actually that’s super helpful. Guess my deca will have to sit for a while and I’ll grab some npp to run instead. Hey while you’re here. I got a pretty sick (in my eyes) look going atm from my cycle (it’s got Tren in it) I popped a t3 today and I’m kind of not sure if it’s even worth it, like if it’s going to fuck up my look. Like will t3 do that? And if so, could I just not take anymore without it fucking with my thyroid?

T3 increases metabolic rate it doesn't necessarily burn fat by mechanism. T3 doesn’t selectively burn fat. It increases total metabolic demand. That means faster glycogen turnover, increased calorie burn, increased protein turnover.

Potential loss of muscle tissue if calories aren’t high enough. Issues arise when someone runs T3 for weeks, doesn’t taper, and comes off abruptly after use. I've read many times where gents here just hard stop...T3 doesn't work that way and they've failed to research thoroughly.

I personally have never taken and don't see reason. But many have great results. Completely my opinion. You've taken one dose. If you're already looking great, what was reason for adding?

What’s with the test d and u esters? I don’t really understand the difference in those esters, or like sustanon or whatever it’s called and shit like that.

Low oil volume, high milligram return. I can pin 2ml and achieve 1G T weekly. Obviously it depends on potency. I have 500mg T/d.

Does that mean it’s a super long ester? Cause I’m assuming vacation is 2+ weeks

Yep, I took a cruise (actual ship) a while back and I pinned day before. But again it comes down to ester, so when I cruise (not blast) I'm already on this and at saturation level.