Switching form Gel to Shots.

[pmgamer18]

I was doing Testim 10 grams a day my levels for Total T were 600. I have had low T for over 21 yrs. and my levels have always been over 800. The problem I have with using the Testim or Andorgel is my levels never get high enough for me to feel good. So my Dr. would add a 200 mg. shot every other week to keep my levels up. If I am below 800 I get sore joints and muscles.
We were always thinking it is the levels that get rid of the sore joints and muscles. So we tried doing 15 grams of testim this was worse then doing the added shot. My E2 was going nuts. And I was still sore. Why is it the shots that get rid of the pain.

So 3 weeks ago we stopped the gels and I am doing 100 mgs Depo Testosterone shots every week this Wed. I am do for my next shot. I am wondering if I need more than 100 mgs every week. Since last Sat. I am feeling run down and fatigued. I get my next blood test on 04/06/05. I feel like I may need more but not sure. Getting 100 mg. shot is = to how much Gel. And If I go up on the shot how much would be good. Go to 125 or 150. Never did shots every week it could be I feel this way because of the switch from Gel to shot. Any thoughts.
Phil

 

[BigRagu]

shots take about 5 weeks to build up in your system............. give it a few weeks then talk to your doctor about changing the dose...........

 

[Weatherlite]

The shots take that long to "stabilize", not build up per se. Since you were already on gel and shots your levels should be fairly close to "stable". How much Cyp=how much gel? It varies in everyone. 7.5g gel did nothing for me yet 100mg Cyp brings me up just fine.

Really, I'm betting the reason you're feeling so down is that on just 100mg shots your T is not as high as when you were getting 200mg EOW and gel at the same time. I'm betting you went supraphysiological for a long time during those 2 weeks.

See if you can get your labs from your doc and post some of those numbers for us.

 

[pmgamer18]

My last lab was on Testim 10 grams and doing 100 mgs shot every other week. The lab test from doing the 100 mgs. every week and was to high so we cut it back. It is funny how much higher your levels will go up when you get high E2 down.

Here is the labs doing Tesim 10 grams and a 100 mgs. shot every week. Plus taking Indolplex/DIM one pill and 1/4 of an Arimidex of .25 mgs. every other day.
Total E was 178 range<200 ng/dL
Estradiol 24 range <20 to 56 pg/mL
DHEA-SO4 406 range 80 to 560 ug/dL
Total T 1023 range 262 to 1593 ng/dL
Free T 43.4 range 8.8 to 27 pg/mL
DHT 96 range 25 to 75 ng/dL

This was my last test doing Testim 10 grams and a 100 mg. shot every other week.
Estrone, Serum Pending
DHEA-SO4 284
Estradiol 21
Total T 623
Free T 29
DHT Pending

On the last test I was very sore and had a lot of pain.
Started on the shots and dropped the gel in 4 days my pain was 50% better. After the last shot no more pain. The range my Dr. goes by is for the 20 to 39 age group. He feels if it is good for them it is good for us older guys. As for keeping my E2 down I am just doing the indolplex/DIM and that feels like it is working.
Phil