switching gears

[gr8whitetrukker]

I had shit test E on my first cycle. Yielded only 3300 TT on my labs. Which equates to a correctly dosed 400mg give or take. My stuff then was dosed less than 50 percent.

I started a frumpy 243. 8 weeks later I ended at 263 lookin good as fuck. 1" to arms, 3" to chest and I lost 1.5" on waist too! Wouldnt you consider that incredible for 8 weeks? Then you see my point. Test E rules on first cycle

 

[Yank]

Yea that's awesome hope to get the same kind of results

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Food is no kidding THE most important thing. I bulked on 4000 cals at least of which consisted of 300g protein (minimum). Try to keep the fat off. Stay food disciplined and you should no doubt be in for an awesome ride!

 

[biggerben69]

What trucker said. 500-600mg of Test Enanthat/ew on a Monday/Thursday twice a week pin is all you need. I like more everything but this just isn't the case on your first cycle. Your muscles are gonna be like a sponge and you are going to see your best gains on your first cycle on just Test.
Has nothing to do with being economical and saving it for another time. I don't think I've ever had it explained to me "why" this is, it just is. Old timers have told me that it's best to introduce the other steroids slowly and not at once.
Seriously, you cab add the tren and dbol or whatever else but your gains won't be noticeably different. I have no idea how that can be prove but I believe it.
I've had it explained to me by a guy who had substance abuse issues. It's like chasing his first high. The first was the best and he has been chasing each cycle trying to get the results he got then.
I've been told when you first introduce a deca or tren after only running test cycles you'll have another cycle with killer gains from the new compound. If you run tren on your first cycle with test its like you can't go back and get great gains the next time you run the same 2 compounds and your first cycle wasn't improved with taking it anyway.
Don't know if I explained that correctly or at least the way I wanted to?

 

[Skull]

Food is no kidding THE most important thing. I bulked on 4000 cals at least of which consisted of 300g protein (minimum). Try to keep the fat off. Stay food disciplined and you should no doubt be in for an awesome ride!

What trucker said. 500-600mg of Test Enanthat/ew on a Monday/Thursday twice a week pin is all you need. I like more everything but this just isn't the case on your first cycle. Your muscles are gonna be like a sponge and you are going to see your best gains on your first cycle on just Test.
Has nothing to do with being economical and saving it for another time. I don't think I've ever had it explained to me "why" this is, it just is. Old timers have told me that it's best to introduce the other steroids slowly and not at once.
Seriously, you cab add the tren and dbol or whatever else but your gains won't be noticeably different. I have no idea how that can be prove but I believe it.
I've had it explained to me by a guy who had substance abuse issues. It's like chasing his first high. The first was the best and he has been chasing each cycle trying to get the results he got then.
I've been told when you first introduce a deca or tren after only running test cycles you'll have another cycle with killer gains from the new compound. If you run tren on your first cycle with test its like you can't go back and get great gains the next time you run the same 2 compounds and your first cycle wasn't improved with taking it anyway.
Don't know if I explained that correctly or at least the way I wanted to?

@Yank words of the wise my friend. These guys know their shit. Your in good hands here bro.

 

[Yank]

Yea I just picked up my six month token in aa so I get that part completely thanks for helping me out all of you I am still learning my body on this stuff any way around the lower back pain I get from walking it's crazy I take fifty steppes and it feels like I've had my lower back muscles in a constant pump for hours

 

[Seven]

Yea I just picked up my six month token in aa so I get that part completely

Congrats on the 6 months stay after it!

Good luck with your cycle brother!

 

[spj]

Nice job in recovery I'm 1 year myself. I agree with what the others said, don't burn all your reseptors at once, leave some room for gains in future cycles. Tren is it, there's nothing more powerful so I don't see any monster gains after that. I think u will do just as good with a simple test only cycle. Or dbol if u really feel u need a Kickstart. Sometimes with us we want it all at once, go for broke, all or nothing, but u got to look at the big picture. Good luck.

 

[Yank]

I am going to wait on the tren and thank you for the advise that is why I am here

 

[Benny]

I am going to wait on the tren and thank you for the advise that is why I am here

In the long run you will be happier with that decision. Tren is a wild ride, so would do you good to work up to it and save it until the other compounds don't get huge fast gains any longer.