Tbol + Anavar - 7 week Cycle. Libido HELP

PlateauCity

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I’m going on a 2 week beach vacation/wedding, and although I’m already in good shape (6' 205lbs @ 11-12%) I want to get SHREDDED and maybe add a bit of mass before the trip. Been training for 7 years (started around 175lbs at 15%) and my target is to maintain my current body weight at 6-8% bf. If I gain (or even lose) a few pounds, that’s fine…as long as I shed fat at the same time. My cousin’s buddy has done Tbol/Anavar (only) cycles before the last 3 summers and his results are astounding...every time! He's a few years younger than me but about the same height and weight as I am…and he’s definitely more ripped! Every year he keep looking better and better...while I haven't seem much change in myself within the last year or 2. I knew I would to do this cycle one day…and now is my time…I think.

Anyway, I asked him about his cycle last time I saw him, which was last summer (very briefly…enough to know what he took and his source) and I remember him saying that he tends to lose his libido later in the cycle but never paid attention to how long it takes to return. Libido is my MAIN CONCERN...not while ON CYCLE...but I need to have a rockin’ sex drive while on vacation (...or my wife will kill me)! We always "take advantage" of our time away from kids while on vacation…I mean like 3-5 times a day. So libido is my main concern! I NEED to be able to perform on demand while on vacation! I have no idea what his PCT consists of.

I already received my gear and made a spreadsheet of my intended cycle but it won’t copy/paste right on the forum…so this is the gist of it. Check it out and let me know what you think. If anything is missing…or overkill. Or if the timing is off on anything. PCT feedback? Should I start a week earlier for an extra week of PCT? Etc. I'm planning on 500 cals under maintenance to start and dropping more after a couple weeks, only if needed.

Week 1-4
Tbol 40mg ED

Week 1-6
Var 60mg ED

Weeks 7-10 PCT
Clomid 150mg day one, then 100/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/10

Other Supplements
S.A.N. Liver Support Matrix (Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root & Artichoke Extract)
EFA Lean Gold (Omegas 3/6/9)
ON Multivitamins
Creatine Nitrate
L-Arginine
BCAAs


My second concern is alcohol consumption. I won’t be drinking alcohol while ON cycle but we are going to an all-inclusive resort…and that means partying from morning til night. It's just what we do...party and have sex. lol Is this a something to be concerned about 4 weeks AFTER a cycle?

Thanks ahead of time for the feedback.

Current Stats:
Age: 35
Height: 6’ 0”
Weight: 205 lbs
BF: 12% bf
Training: 7 years
Diet: 4-5 fairly clean meals (40/40/20) 2500-3000 cals
Sunday is always cheat day…anything goes...probably 5-6k cals


(I’m a long time lurker and a member on several other forums. I understand that a test base is "ideal"…but that’s not happening. My wife is finally on board with this oral-only cycle and she won’t go for me pinning…and I’m cool with that, considering that I’ve read several logs and have witnessed the real-world results in someone else from this exact cycle…and its precisely what I’m after. I'm happy with my size and weight...just looking for an edge. From my understanding, not taking test isn't detrimental to one's health. It's just more effective and keeps your libido up WHILE you're taking it. My HPTA will suffer, whether I use test or not...but someone else suggested 4-Andro as a test base?)
 
Not going to get much help here with an oral only cycle. They are retarded. I've done them- you'll lose everything you gain without test. Might want to try another forum.
 
There's no way around the libido issue without the test.

Throw in an aromatising oral, it will help stave it off a bit longer (you'll keep e2 up). But that's only half the equation. You won't know until you try.

Cialis. PCT is going to fuck with you anyway. Either pin a long ester, and stop the day you leave, or get ready for issues. You should probably rethink this one. . .
 
2 oral cycle then all you can drink vacation??? lol hate to be your liver :oops:
That's why I asked. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but my vacation will be 4-5 weeks after the cycle. The steroids will be well out of my system by then and I'll be taking a triple dose of liver supplements daily. 4 weeks later, you still think I should worry about drinking alcohol?

I've done them- you'll lose everything you gain without test. Might want to try another forum.
Why would I lose everything? I'm trying to learn, and I'm finding that a lot of people on these boards have negative attitudes. So please don't jump down my throat...just tell me why I would lose my gains AFTER the cycle if I don't take test. It will already be out of my system, so why does it make a difference?

There's no way around the libido issue without the test.

Cialis. PCT is going to fuck with you anyway. Either pin a long ester, and stop the day you leave, or get ready for issues. You should probably rethink this one. . .

Again, maybe I wasn't clear but my vacation will be 4-5 weeks after the cycle. I completely understand that test maintains libido while ON cycle (which is NOT my concern)...but test shuts you down too...maybe even more than orals. So why would not pinning test make me lose my libido AFTER the cycle? Seems to me that I would just be sacrificing my libido while on cycle (again, not my concern). Either way I'll be shut down or suppressed afterwards...seems like adding another compound (test) would shut me down even more? I guess I just don't fully understand. I really don't care if I lose my libido while on cycle...I just need it to return 4 weeks later.




An another note, has anyone heard of or used Muscle Research "T-Base" transdermal? Can I use this as a test base alternative?
 
I wrote a fairly lengthy reply but its "awaiting moderator approval, and is invisible to normal visitors". Hopefully it shows up soon.
 
Your training diet and recovery will be the key factors of your results. The only positive thing you will notice from your cycle is strength gain. It will shut you down. I did tbol with clomid followed by var winny and clomid. For libido. You may want to look into proviron and cialis.
 
You need to run test as a base or your libido will crash. You "guru" pal obviously hasn't figured that out, but you're trusting his cycle advice? Okie doke.

If you want a real cycle do 500mgs of test enan/cyp + your anavar
 
You may want to look into proviron and cialis.
That's an idea. My vacation is in Mexico, where you can buy cialis and proviron OTC. Does proviron work for libido within a day or 2...or is it something that needs to be taken for a week before seeing the libido effect?
 
your libido will crash. You "guru" pal obviously hasn't figured that out

If you want a real cycle do 500mgs of test enan/cyp + your anavar
I never called him a "guru". He's my cousin's friend, whom I've only met a handful of times...and happens to have the results I'm after.

BUT...why would my libido crash after PCT if I don't pin test during the cycle? That's where I'm confused??
 
I never called him a "guru". He's my cousin's friend, whom I've only met a handful of times...and happens to have the results I'm after.

BUT...why would my libido crash after PCT if I don't pin test during the cycle? That's where I'm confused??
Your libido will crash on cycle. Once your natural test has cleared, your body will stop producing it while on cycle. Your libido will suffer. HCG MAY mitigate this for a little while, or chlomid as some suggest. I'm not sure Cialis will do much for actual desire... Proviron frees up test from SHBG, but if there's no test to free, it won't do anything.
 
Your libido will crash on cycle. Once your natural test has cleared, your body will stop producing it while on cycle. Your libido will suffer. HCG MAY mitigate this for a little while, or chlomid as some suggest. I'm not sure Cialis will do much for actual desire... Proviron frees up test from SHBG, but if there's no test to free, it won't do anything.
Maybe I wasn't clear but my vacation will be 4-5 weeks after the cycle. I completely understand that test maintains libido while ON cycle (which is NOT my concern)...but test shuts you down too. So why would not pinning test make me lose my libido AFTER the cycle? Seems to me that I would just be sacrificing my libido while on cycle (again, not my concern). Either way I'll be shut down or suppressed afterwards. I guess I just don't fully understand. I really don't care if I lose my libido while on cycle...I just need it to return 4 weeks later.
 
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