Hardcoreboy
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is there any peptide that would help the tendon degeneration? the pain is often unbearable.
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The popular protocol nowadays would be BPC-157 and/or TB-500. BPC-157 is typically dosed at 500mcg - 1mg per day, which can be dosed in a single injection every 24 hours or two injections 8-12 hours apart (intramuscular or subcutaneous, with the injection site being largely irrelevant). TB-500 is typically dosed at 5mg - 10mg per week (longer half-life than BPC), which can be dosed every 3.5 days (intramuscular or subcutaneous).
The dosage protocols of both of these peptides can vary pretty widely depending on the individual, but these are the most common dosages I've seen. Theoretically, if cost is not an issue, you could increase the doses substantially higher than the dosages I suggested. The length of the cycle would be determined by your symptoms. Ideally, you would run your cycle until your symptoms are gone or negligible. A lot of anecdotes I've come across seem to fall in the 30 - 60 day range. I've personally only used BPC-157, and my protocol was 1mg/day for ~40 days to help alleviate left triceps tendonitis. It took a couple weeks for me to notice relief, and I also trained exclusively in the 15-20 rep range for all upper body pushing exercises during this period to reduce the absolute load on the tendon (I would suggest you do the same for all movements that aggravate your affected tendon, train them in the 15-30 rep range). At the end of my cycle, my left triceps tendon pain was reduced from a 7-8/10 pain level to a 3/10 pain level (I probably could have extended the cycle for more benefits, but honestly once I ran out of BPC I was just too lazy to order more and didn't feel like spending the money, lol).
Now, I don't have personal experience with this, but allegedly HGH can work wonders for soft tissue injuries, and is considered to be the true gold standard for healing injuries of that variety. I'm not going to recommend any specific protocol, since I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of HGH to give specific advice, but it may be something you want to look into and consider (and perhaps a more knowledgeable user here can chime in).
Best of luck with the healing and recovery, tendonitis can be a real pain in the ass. Wish you the best.
The dosage protocols of both of these peptides can vary pretty widely depending on the individual, but these are the most common dosages I've seen. Theoretically, if cost is not an issue, you could increase the doses substantially higher than the dosages I suggested. The length of the cycle would be determined by your symptoms. Ideally, you would run your cycle until your symptoms are gone or negligible. A lot of anecdotes I've come across seem to fall in the 30 - 60 day range. I've personally only used BPC-157, and my protocol was 1mg/day for ~40 days to help alleviate left triceps tendonitis. It took a couple weeks for me to notice relief, and I also trained exclusively in the 15-20 rep range for all upper body pushing exercises during this period to reduce the absolute load on the tendon (I would suggest you do the same for all movements that aggravate your affected tendon, train them in the 15-30 rep range). At the end of my cycle, my left triceps tendon pain was reduced from a 7-8/10 pain level to a 3/10 pain level (I probably could have extended the cycle for more benefits, but honestly once I ran out of BPC I was just too lazy to order more and didn't feel like spending the money, lol).
Now, I don't have personal experience with this, but allegedly HGH can work wonders for soft tissue injuries, and is considered to be the true gold standard for healing injuries of that variety. I'm not going to recommend any specific protocol, since I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of HGH to give specific advice, but it may be something you want to look into and consider (and perhaps a more knowledgeable user here can chime in).
Best of luck with the healing and recovery, tendonitis can be a real pain in the ass. Wish you the best.
Hardcoreboy
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Thank you ! will try those!
Astartes
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Want the honest answer from someone who has tried everything? (and wishes he learned this 20 years ago)
Stop Overtraining
Stop Lifting Heavy
Higher Reps
Less Sets
More Recovery
Full Range of Motion
Eccentric Focus (Negative)
Nothing else is a serious consideration if what you are referring to is Tendonosis. (Not simple tendonitis)
BPC/TB, Prednisone and HGH will not solve the root problem. (Overtraining/Heavy Lifting)
Astartes
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As a side comment. If your Tendonosis/Tendon degeneration is related to adrenal cortisol deficiency avoid HGH and Prednisone.
Prednisone can shut it down and there is evidence HGH can decrease cortisol release in healthy men while making cortisol metabolism more efficient doubling down on the deficiency.
Prednisone can shut it down and there is evidence HGH can decrease cortisol release in healthy men while making cortisol metabolism more efficient doubling down on the deficiency.
Hardcoreboy
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Yes, the diagnosis was given by the Ortopedian based on magnetic images. Penetrating tears were not visible in the pictures. I've also had a cortisone injection for it a few times. I have also been using statins for several years, which I decided to stop just to be safe, because I read that they can also cause problems with the tendons.
Right.
They always give you corticosteroids, ok for inflammation but it is thought they may, at the same time, adversely affect tendon integrity or healing.
It's just the standard, go to thing with this sort of condition.
I was supposed to have the kind of treatment you were given, but have held out.
Astartes was spot on when he told you to consider what you are doing and the loads you are using.
Can we ask you how old you are, like 30s, 40s.... roughly.
I was thinking whether you tried shockwave therapy.
Depending on where you live, it can be quite expensive and you would need a course of sessions. But it may be worth a try.
I do not know whether it would actually work.
It's one of those things that has gained popularity but, unless you try, you don't know.
Maybe someone on the forum has tried it and can report on it.
I would like to throw in the keywords tempo (of reps) and time-under-tension.
Where tempo consists of four digits:
- duration-of-concentric-movement
- duration-of-top-hold
- duration-of-eccentric-movement
- duration-of-bottom-hold
Thinking of this, adapting as needed and focusing helps not to aggravate the situation.
Where tempo consists of four digits:
- duration-of-concentric-movement
- duration-of-top-hold
- duration-of-eccentric-movement
- duration-of-bottom-hold
Thinking of this, adapting as needed and focusing helps not to aggravate the situation.
Hardcoreboy
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I'm going to try that Shockwave therapy. I saw that the prices here are 20-30€ when visiting a physiotherapist. Thanks for the tip. All means are welcome. 40s...
Hardcoreboy
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The subscapularis tendon.
Could be induced by shoulder impingement. Does the humerus look centered in the shoulder socket on the MRI image?
If not, start decompression training.
You could try this the next time when you feel the pain creeping in: Start with a 2.5 kg dumbell in one hand, standing upright. Now relax the shoulder to the point where you no longer activate shoulder muscles (think passive stretch). It can be a new sensation, so be careful. If it does not give you a good stretch, increase the weight stepwise.
Hold it for at least 1 minute. If you are impinged chances are the exercise itself does not feel good immediately, but the relief after
Once you are familiar with this exercise, you can play with palm and neck angles very very carefully to tune the stretch even further.
Good luck!
If not, start decompression training.
You could try this the next time when you feel the pain creeping in: Start with a 2.5 kg dumbell in one hand, standing upright. Now relax the shoulder to the point where you no longer activate shoulder muscles (think passive stretch). It can be a new sensation, so be careful. If it does not give you a good stretch, increase the weight stepwise.
Hold it for at least 1 minute. If you are impinged chances are the exercise itself does not feel good immediately, but the relief after
Once you are familiar with this exercise, you can play with palm and neck angles very very carefully to tune the stretch even further.
Good luck!
