The milk is a good way if you tolerate it well...
Keep drinking the milk, lifting the weights, stop fucking with ASS. You don't need them.
The food and training are your steroids.
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The milk is a good way if you tolerate it well...
Keep drinking the milk, lifting the weights, stop fucking with ASS. You don't need them.
The food and training are your steroids.
ruckin
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I know you're gonna do what you want anyway, so i'll say this for anyone else out there reading who it may help.
If you don't learn how to get big and strong without drugs, you'll never be truely big and strong even with them.
Learn how to eat and train, and pay your dues first, and you'll experience much more long term success once you do turn to the dark side.
If you don't learn how to get big and strong without drugs, you'll never be truely big and strong even with them.
Learn how to eat and train, and pay your dues first, and you'll experience much more long term success once you do turn to the dark side.
Seth Anderson
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Is the goal to make me feel bad for asking that? Or make me not ask questions? You realize the less seriously you take someones question the less seriously they will take advice they get, even if it's good advice.
Or do you just struggle to contemplate someone having actual analytical thought processes?
I asked a serious question to get a serious answer, some people actually gave pretty good answers.
I think a lot of members are just sick and tired of this trend of guys who are new to lifting, or guys that are very young who havent built a strong base, that want to jump into AAS immediately. I dont get it either. I see posts like this being made almost everyday now, sometimes 2-3 times a day and everyone gets tired of answering the same question over and over again. If you arent good without AAS then what do you think will happen once you come off again??? Not only that but you dont need it. Im 5'7" (not big boned either) and i went from 138-195 naturally in 2 years and i occasionaly took a 1-2 month break due to injury or just got lazy[emoji19](i have ramadan as well, for one month that took place in summer this time!!!). I do train pretty intensely and try to eat as much as i can but steroids are truly for those who already work hard, have experience, and want to take things a step forward. You still havent even taken the first step my friend. I bet wih a good diet and training routine, that in 2 years you could hit 230lbs. Thats about 2lbs a month, some will be fat but youll just have to control it. Just think about how fuckin huge you could get if you got to 230lbs naturally, developed work ethic then jumped on AAS.
Seth Anderson
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Look I get that, and I get that it would get tiresome, but it's very easy just to ignore the thread no? I am open to criticism (made clear by the thread title), but not dumb splurging.
I have a lot more questions to ask, and a lot of semantics to debate, but after that I am less inclined to do so. No point if there is no one willing to have a serious discussion about it.
In my case for the last 5 months I have been training 5 days a week (I log it on jefit if your curious about routine, weights and what not). At the same time eating a 2800 Calorie diet. In all that time I did not put on a single kg. Okay so I am sure you will say up the diet, two reasons I never was one it was a diet given to me by a professional dietitian, two I have never had a big appetite and I quite literally couldn't eat more food, perhaps I should have tried to do something like drink milk as suggested above.
My semantics question is this; Naturally you can put on more weight when you are young, no argument. But even when you are young it will still be faster with AAS. Taking the whole bullshit of "you are lazy if you can't do it naturally" out of the picture, does it not become a question of risk vs reward to gain the weight faster? I am not ignorant to the risks (I was in the past) but what if I personally deem the risk to be worth the reward?
Point of interest, I already have the test, I can't exactly give it back or throw it away.
2800 calories? Youre gonna need a lot more than that you are 6 feet tall...go eat 4000 a day. And your dietician is a dietician.
Not a bodybuilder. They can tell you what to eat to
Just stay healthy and slightly athletic i guess.
Eat like this:
Fat:150g
Carbs:425g
Protein:250g
Do low carb on the days you dont train. So around 150g-300g depending on how much you need to recover.
Foods should be like
This:
Eggs
Brown Rice
Chicken breast
Steak
Potatos/Yams/Sweet Potatos
Oats
Peanut butter
Milk (if not lactose intolerant or taking lactase pills)
Nuts, Fruits, Vegetables
Protein Powder
Turkey
Fish (Dont eat too much fish)
Water should be consumed at around 1 gallon a day.
And make sure you can use as many organic foods as possible
Not a bodybuilder. They can tell you what to eat to
Just stay healthy and slightly athletic i guess.
Eat like this:
Fat:150g
Carbs:425g
Protein:250g
Do low carb on the days you dont train. So around 150g-300g depending on how much you need to recover.
Foods should be like
This:
Eggs
Brown Rice
Chicken breast
Steak
Potatos/Yams/Sweet Potatos
Oats
Peanut butter
Milk (if not lactose intolerant or taking lactase pills)
Nuts, Fruits, Vegetables
Protein Powder
Turkey
Fish (Dont eat too much fish)
Water should be consumed at around 1 gallon a day.
And make sure you can use as many organic foods as possible
Seth Anderson
New Member
Personally I think 4000 is excessive. I work a desk job. Literally the only exercise I get is gym.
The biggest problem I see here is you thinking. The best advice you have gotten is to not use steroids- but you are too smart for that. Now you think you know about optimum caloric intake when you haven't gained anything in six months? Yea- blame the dietician. It's his fault you don't have the appetite or fortitude to eat more. I am 280 lbs. I started juicing at 34 and 238 lbs. My personal experience is that anyone who says they are a hard gainer is too much of a pussy to eat enough. You think training and steroids are the answer? You will look like shit until you figure out most of the hard work is eating. Am I being hard on you? Is being one of the participation trophy generation making it hard for you to handle negative feedback? You have no idea if you will meet the perfect woman who wants kids down the road, and if you ass rape your endocrine system enough you won't be able to get it up without ed drugs. The kicker? She won't stay because of your puny 15" biceps. She will leave you to start a family with a real man who knows how to work hard for what he wants. Have fun getting swole bro.
I eat 3,300 a day and do 0 cardio. No cardio for past 2-3 years. Im still pretty lean for the offseason. I train 6 days a week though. All intense workouts that may last up to 1-2 hours.
Seth Anderson
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And yet literally every calorie calculator out there says needed intake is no where near 4000cal, as well as the dietitian.
So at the end of the day bro science is contrary to real science. Yea you are right so far the real science approach has not worked, and maybe bro science is the answer and I am willing to give it a try, all I was doing was pointing out the hugely contrary figures. So far I have been looking to discuss the topic, very few replies have been interested in discussing rather they have been 'here are the facts now fuck off', hardly a constructive way of giving advice. As I said I am perfectly happy to receive negative feedback, but there is no point unless it is constructive.
The whole kids thing is a different debate, suffice to say I feel as strongly about not having kids as I do about not drinking (everyone said I would start eventually and yet I still do not drink a drop). If I could afford it I would have a vasectomy today.
Seth Anderson
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And you weigh more than me, so why would my calorie intake need to be higher? Serious question not trying to be annoying.
Seth Anderson
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P.S. I am not getting big to get girls, I have a girlfriend, one that luckily enough has just as strongly anti-kids as I am.
@Seth Anderson, you think AAS is going to gain you muscle at 2800 cals? You have no idea what youre doing.
AAS is not magic. It only helps you with what youre doing.
Thats almost as bad as those people who think that you can take AAS and not work out and get big.
And I have a hard time believing a dietician put you on 2800 cals to gain weight. Youre just saying that to back up your BS.
It doesnt matter to me one way or the other what you do, but youre going to be severly disappointed after your cycle. I guarantee it.
AAS is not magic. It only helps you with what youre doing.
Thats almost as bad as those people who think that you can take AAS and not work out and get big.
And I have a hard time believing a dietician put you on 2800 cals to gain weight. Youre just saying that to back up your BS.
It doesnt matter to me one way or the other what you do, but youre going to be severly disappointed after your cycle. I guarantee it.
Wtf why are you so antikids??? What if your dad chose to do this before you were born? Would you like that?
Because youre taller. You have more muscle area well maybe depends on your genetics, to put on more mass than me. Right now at 2,800 calories you are depleted.
Seth Anderson
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Where on earth did you see me say that? The diet in the OP is 3200, and I was told to add milk to that, which I accepted. 2800 was what I was eating, natural, simply reading would have made that clear.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/itn9hu52bfrpb8z/FLT food and lifestyle analysis.doc?dl=0
The diet in it's original form as sent to me from the dietitian, how is that for backing up my BS?
It says you dont need 4,000 calories because the calculator doesnt know your goals. To be 170lbs you probably need to eat 2,800 calories. Type in a goal weight of 220lbs and see what comes up. If you wanna be 220lbs you gotta eat like someone who is 220lbs. I went by this method and was successful. Sure youll gain a lil fat but it will come back off as you reach closer to your goal and train more consistently.
Seth Anderson
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I wouldn't have been around to care...
If you can't gain weight without steroids you won't be able to gain with. Sure, you will put a few lbs of water on.... but as soon as you hop off you will be skinny guy again.
I notice you didn't mention the erectile dysfunction- your girl is cool with that? Sweet. Enjoy.
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